michael kushner, your thoughts next month. michael: i think it's still off the table.t's obviously possible. i think this number was strong, but it was not as strong as it looked. there have been seasonal adjustment issues, the bls adjustments over the past year. that increased a lot of payroll and employment growth, from earlier 2021. just as we would dismiss too weak a number, we should not dismiss, but not think this changes the game plan too dramatically from before. we're still on track for sequential hikes, but fairly quickly to the 1% level, four hikes, and see how it goes. jonathan: big move on the bond market either way. bank of america say this, and they're in the seven hikes camp. let's be clear about that. the strength of wages could lead to more persistent inflationary pressures that the fed will want to start counteracting. the markets picking up on some of this, kathy. it's not the base case yet, but that the center of gravity leaning in that direction, five, maybe more. you're not there, kathy. why? kathy: the reason i'm not there is that i really want

this is a guy who pardoned michael flynn and roger stone and manafort and papadopoulos and jared kushner's father and pardoned a lot more than that in the last few months of his presidency. he has a record of doing this. of pardoning people who stick up for him and who don't tell on him. so republicans should believe him when he's saying this. >> mark, i mean, we know they want to speak with mike pence, as well. i mean, do you think he'll do it? >> well, don, i think what's been shocking to all of america but a especially americans like ana and i is the extent the entire party rolled over under donald trump's autocrat thumb, it takes a few good men and women. like mark short. he's a straight shooter. he's compelled to tell the truth. and people like liz cheney, only takes a few to tell the truth and the truth gets out and the truth will prevail. >> i think it takes more than that, mark. i had a little glimmer of hope. call me maybe naive or of optimists. when i heard lindsey graham who spent the trump years doing nothing but polishing shoes, when i heard graham talk about how it would be i

. >> michael steele, speaking of books, you can fill books with columns talking about how jared kushnerhat instead of having the big meeting between the israelis and palestinians he was going to go country by country by country by country and try to strike different deals between israel and those separate countries. that looks like that's happened. so does this require a reassessment of what jared kushner did over the past four years on the middle east? >> i think a lot of that will come into clearer focus for folks and i think there is some good opportunities there to sort of look -- go back and look at some of those strategies that were employed, as you just described, and how that's now coming to fruition. you're right as you set up this conversation that, you know, if this had not been in, quote, the trump administration folks would be approaching what we're seeing now with very different, you know, set of lenses, but you have to put the correct lenses on and look at exactly what's happening here and i think when you go back and you see this idea of developing a much more direct per