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long-time health and human services secretary under george bush and former governor of utah, michael leavittuse ] >> mike: underwent this program to be about telling everyone what's wrong with plans that are out there. you have looked at this. what's right about this. what can i find inherently odd to say it but so what that's. >> it has laudable goals. this is a problem we have to solve. if we don't reform health care it will break our country. we all want people to have insurance. we all want to have prevention and drive down the costs. those are the right things to be aiming for. this bill, however, does nothing to drive down costs. it'll add 1,000,000,000,000 1/2 dollars to a debt that's already exploded with the bailouts, with the stimulus package, and i think that's what has people uncomfortable. it started out as it debates about the 47 million people don't have insurance. you already sort of debunked that myth. but it's not about the 250 million people who have it. people are deeply concerned about what it will do, the uncertainty it injects into the healthcare system which most peop

long-time health and human services secretary under george bush and former governor of utah, michael leavittce to have you here. i care much. [ applause ] >> mike: underwent this program to be about telling everyone what's wrong with plans that are out there. you have looked at this. what's right about this. what can i find inherently odd to say it but so what that's. >> it has laudable goals. this is a problem we have to solve. if we don't reform health care it will break our country. we all want people to have insurance. we all want to have prevention and drive down the costs. those are the right things to be aiming for. this bill, however, does nothing to drive down costs. it'll add 1,000,000,000,000 1/2 dollars to a debt that's already exploded with the bailouts, with the stimulus package, and i think that's what has people uncomfortable. it started out as it debates about the 47 million people don't have insurance. you already sort of debunked that myth. but it's not about the 250 million people who have it. people are deeply concerned about what it will do, the uncertainty it injects i

michael leavitt wrote, the co-op would be federally controlled and staff -- bureaucrats will decide who gets care, what drugs are prescribed, what procedures are covered and how much money providers can charge. are co-ops really in true sort of dressed up government-run programs? >> under that definition, absolutely. i don't see a difference between the public option and was written in hr3200, and a co-op. if it's done on a regional basis, then all you've taken is the nationalization of health insurance or health care and made it more regional. you're not accomplishing anything. you're still creating a public plan. >> julian, there is a new poll out, i'm sure you've seen it, almost 60% of americans do not think congress should pass a health care bill supported only by democrats. would it be a mistake to do so? >> yeah, i think so. i think there are some polls that shows overwhelming support for a public option as well. you can read these polls a lot of different ways. again, i think -- i applaud some of what congressman terry is saying. if we can get universal court and jury and regulat

brian: michael leavitt, thank you.ng us throughout the morning. country superstar jack ingram here to sing "barefoot and crazy" next. first, megyn kelly is here to tell us what is talking about. megyn: with the department of justice interrogating cia interrogators, what happens next time the cia is asked to interrogate an al-qaeda suspect? is this a good idea as we fight the shortage of primary-care physicians? did you see the john mccain town hall yesterday? an update of the top of the hour. . to silence headaches... doctors recommend tylenol... more than any other brand... of pain reliever. tylenol rapid release gels... gretchen: it is a sleepless 24 hours for most consecutive radio interviews for jack ingram. he is not done yet, he is here. why would you want to do this? >> i have got to promote the record. talking to country fans across the nation. brian: you beat our next co- worker. how dare you? >> i meant no offense. brian: let's hear a single from your new album. >> this is barefoot and crazy. ♪ clouds are par