that goes live now to michael mallow, a former senior security policy analyst in the office of the secretary of defense. michael, welcome to the international. thank you. now, 1st of all, what are your impressions of the report? what do you make of these allegations? are they surprising to you? no, not at all. they've been around for years. they were around when i was at the defense department in the early 2, thousands. so this is not not new. and secondly, it's not just walk away. it's also a z t. and what was interesting too, is that the bi limits are the trumpet administration actually came down hard on a while way as well as g t. h lifted sanctions on z t e. subsequently, however, the, by the ministration has ramp posed, sanctions on both, and also a few other companies that are associated with the telecommunications the i've, i've read the cnn report. and once again, it's remiss in providing any details. it does not provide any firm data on actual espinoza's or even sabotage. and that has been the main concern for years in the defense department toward the way equipment. and you saw als