michael maloof, a former senior security policy analyst at the office of the secretary of defense. many thanks. we appreciate your time. thank you. thank you, roy. so the tech world is reeling at the death of anti virus software. pioneer jordan mcafee, he was found dead and his boss alone, a prison start on wednesday, just hours after spain's national court ruled in favor of extra i think him to america. now over the years, of course, he's got a bit of a reputation for his antics and regular challenges to the status quo in the us. so want to use it to retrieve power. now takes a look back at his life. john mac, he was a caller full personality to say the least. a rabble with a biography that reads like a hollywood script. eccentric millionaire computers, viruses, anti virus software, crypto currencies, drugs bo chases, paragliding promoter of numerous conspiracy. theories, us presidential candidate, officially accused of arms smuggling and even murder. these were all parts of his life, which ended in a no less unusual fashion in a jail cell in barcelona. mere hours after a court ag

what it wanted with this stump form a senior security policy analyst, michael maloof. i spoke to him just a short time ago. he believes the u. k. knew what it was doing, hence the reason to have the press on board. the defend it's not unheard of for press people to be on board. sure. certainly it was an attempt by the u. k. to see how far they could push, push matters. and i think that the russian response was appropriate, considering that it was in the russian territory waters, even though those particular russian territorial waters is not recognized by the international community as such. because of the nature of the dispute following the, the coo and the ukraine. but it's, but nonetheless, the crimea is part of russia now, the de facto. and that's just the way it is and, and it constitutes russian territorial waters as a consequence. and as a result, to have trust people on board, reportedly. and that's, that's, that was to show the extent to which they could push moscow without some kind of reaction. while they got a reaction, the tech world is reeling or the death

maloof also in the middle. let us radia host carry harrison. and on the far right that internet law expert. yeah. cohen and you are all very welcome, michael. if i could start with you firstly, from your perspective, do you feel that this new far reaching task force is long over j? i think it's inevitable. the problem is, is that there's been a huge spike in hack attacks that, that are not just affecting companies, but companies that have an impact on the critical infrastructure of this nation. and it's affecting millions upon millions of people just fail. the colonial pipeline was one exam, just one example. now, if that you, you, you transfer that to a grid, let's say the eastern grid of the united states with a similar electromagnetic attack, you effect 70 percent of the u. s. population as a consequence. so it was inevitable that this would be raised to the federal level, and i might add that the cyber attacks have been sporadic in the past, at least through public posts, through the publicity that has now begun to spike. and it's affecting very critical infrastructures. and we're hearing policy makers themselves from past and present b