no, but hang on a minute, michael mann... interject and say, yeah, individual behaviour change on its own isn't going to cut it, but it is still vitally important, is it not? there will be millions of people around the world now wondering whether you care or not whether people stop driving these ridiculous big suv vehicles, whether the frequent flyers become a bit less frequent in their flying, whether all of the people who love eating beef every day can stop eating beef every day. are you saying that none of those behaviour changes matter? no, and they won't think that if they've read my book. because one of the points that really do try to make is that, absolutely, we should do all those things in our everyday lives that minimise our environmental impact and our carbon footprint. in many cases, these are things that save us money, they make us feel better, make us healthier, set a good example for others. of course, we should do all those things. what we can't allow is for those individual actions to be framed as an alterna

michael mann is kind of a street guy. o, and then bob jacked on you and you want to jackpot this guy, you jackpot him on the desk there before he can jackpot you, you know what i'm saying? and al looks at him and goes, yeah, i don't understand what that means. jackpotting. >> stephen: i was going to ask the same thing. >> it means to get over on somebody, to clock 'em, to get one up on 'em. i jack polted him. i guess like a football term. i don't know. >> stephen: i don't know, yeah. >> so i tell mike this story and he finds it so remusing that for the rest of the day mike would call cut. he's go, all right, cut. are we all right or did anyone get jackpotted on that one? coming out of mike's mouth, i don't know whether i like it -- >> stephen: sounds classy. well, now that we have the jim brockmire podcast -- >> yes, we do. >> stephen: we've evolved to the final stage of human entertainment podcasting. >> yeah. >> stephen: brockmire, obviously, for those who don't know, he's america's most beloved disgraced sports broadcas

michael mann, with penn state university. thank you very much.appreciate it. >> thank you, judy. >> woodruff: as we mentioned, today is earth day. while emissions and climate change are front and center, this is a good moment to look at another major environmental problem. as the world has become hyper- hygienic since the pandemic began, plastic is playing an oversized role. stephanie sy looks at how the single-use nature of many pandemic items are piling up in our landfills and in our environment. >> sy: they're the one item we now know helps stop the spread of covid-19: face masks. they come in different shapes and sizes, and many are disposable. over the past year, they've become an important part of living safely in the middle of a pandemic. around the world, 129 billion are used every single month. and three million are thrown out every single minute. and most are made of layers of plastic microfibers. it's creating a new kind of plastic pollution, contaminating waterways and hurting wildlife. maria algarra is the founder o“" clean this beac

michael mann joins us. great to have you back on the show. you spoke, you were in australia. that dystopian future seemed to worsen with every fire season. what can meaningfully be done, given the lack of political will or direction here and australia? michael: we can still prevent the worst from happening. i lived through the black summer. it had a profound impact on me. in my latest book, it's about the challenge that we face today in averting catastrophic climate change. one possible future is one in which we don't make the reductions in carbon emissions that are necessary. australia does ultimately resemble a dystopian future. but that future can still be averted. that's why this conference this week, this climate summit in the united states, is so important. the major players all coming together to talk about what we can do to ratchet up those paris commitments so that we get on a trajectory that does keep warming below catastrophic levels, avoiding 1.5 degrees celsius warming where we start to see the worst impacts and australia, the un

leader in the state of saxony michael mann arrived in moscow on thursday to meet with the russian health minister he said that the federal government in berlin is expecting 10000000 russian jobs 3 times in may june and july we will see whether the approval and acceptance of this vaccine is as high everywhere else as it is in saxony and eastern germany maybe we'll even get more then the news about sputnik comes amid reports that from the end of may all adults in germany could be able to get an appointment for a vaccine angle america has also been discussing the future of health policy across the e.u. saying that the covert pandemic has highlighted issues that may require a change in treaties i believe that europe needs great a competency in the area of health this will probably also require changes to treaties i have always been open to treaty changes if they make sense this is not an end in itself and you can also do a lot of things through coordinating policy at the intergovernmental level but it certainly makes sense to also have european level competency for certain situations especia

that is kind of the end i think they did call michael mann the. [inaudible] something like that. i'm just talk about tragedies now. [laughter] not uplifting stories. i think that would be really interesting story to see or tell. what about you? >> the people that come to mind are the incredible bad in the rio grande valley. i think about my time and politics and we are trying to talk about abortion and reproductive rights, and i remember in the new york office would be like to not say that were in texas. you are going to lose latino votes are not going to vote for you guys if you say that. i remember going in and just go door to door in among themselves there are organizing women and their talking in a way in a freedom and a language that again going back to the stereotypes is like 50 -- six -year-olds like 30 old ladies, they are talking about these taboo latino issues in a way that was mind blowing and incredible and extremely progressive not in the political world business sense they are three steps ahead. i just loved following them around, how do you have these sort of under