charge of security at the department, denied he tricked the sergeant in arms to involve her boss, michael martin. >> don't you think with your duty to the house you should have informed her very clearly that she did not have to consent, because this is the basis of the difficulty here. >> if i could just -- i think she probably thought i was patronizing her. if i said after all the conversation conversations we've had that we'd had a conversation that explained why -- i'd had a conversation explaining that, you know, if i then said do you understand what the word consent means, i think she'd have looked at me -- >> excuse me, excuse me, it's not a question of her understanding what the word consent meant, it was a question of her understanding, right, that she did not have to, you know, to give consent and that, indeed, you would go and apply for a warrant. there's nothing to do with patronizing her, it's simply informing her of the facts which, clearly, you didn't do as she just said for whatever reason. >> my understanding, perhaps i'm not being clear, my understanding is that jill fully knew