we are getting away from the facts we need a really good first amend and lawyer and they hired michael mccaul who then went leader on to be a distinguished federal judge because of tremendous first amendment experts as we had to groups of farmers, one sticking with thomas campaign, the other guinn with the new lawyer. they both filed briefs in the case and supreme court didn't know what to do. we had two lawyers, only half hour for them to argue so the clerk of the court actually flip a coin to resolve this unresolvable fight between these two lawyers and thomas campaign had one so he argued the case and almost from the outset you could see that first amendment of the first speech was of no interest to him. he wanted to relocate this program about fruit and he started to argue about stipulates and 43 and exhibit to 97 as if he was back in the trial court and there's one clip we have of how unsuccessful that gannett was the first clip. >> [inaudible] [inaudible] as a matter of fact to make that stipulation number 57, i'm sorry, 59 -- [inaudible] >> in that stipulation i don't understand -- [in