and up in front of them was none other than one of the own, his name was michael mudd, vice president of craft. he was armed with 114 slides and laid at the feet of the ceos and presidents of the largest food companies, responsibility for not only the obesity crisis, but he cited the rising cases of diabetes, high blood pressure or heart disease tick even linked their food with several cancers. and he pleaded with them to collectively start doing something on behalf of consumers. because michael mudd knew that the competition inside the food industry, and you know it's funny because you walk into a grocery store and there's soft music playing, doing everything they can to encourage you to shop and buy. but behind the scenes, the food industry is intensely competiticompetiti ve. and he understood that the only way to sort of movie industry towards a healthier profile of the product was to get them collectively together. from his vantage point in meeting was an utter failure. the ceos reacted defensively. they said, look, we are already offering people choices. we have low-fat this, low

because michael mudd knew that the competition inside the food industry -- and, you know, it's funny, because you walk into the grocery store, and it seems so tranquil. soft music playing, doing everything they can to encourage you to shop and buy. but behind the scenes the food industry is intensely competitive. and he understood that the only way to sort of move the industry, budge the healthier profile of their products would be to get them collectively to do something. from his vantage point, the meeting was an utter failure. the ceos reacted defensively. they said, look, we're already offering people choses. we have low-fat this, low-sugar fat that. if they really want that, they can buy those alternative products. we are beholden both to consumers and our own shareholders. they left the meeting, basically, going back to what they'd been doing and continue to do which is having a deep reliance on salt, sugar and fat. >> so what are processed foods? is how do you define them? >> you know, processed foods, i'm mostly looking at what people like to call ultra processed foods because

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michael isikoff live from boston tonight for us, mike, thank you so much. i really appreciate it. >> thank you, rachel. >> thank you. >>> joining us now is philip mudd. he's former deputy director of the cia's counterterrorism center and the fbi's security branch. he's now at the new america foundation. his new book is called "take down." mr. mudd, thank you very much for being with us. appreciate your time tonight. >> sure, sure. >> we learned today that fbi agents now have reportedly the laptop in their own hands. it seems to me like if you're looking for trying to connect the -- this crime to a motive or any sort of larger organization out there in the world, the laptop might be critically important. does it seem like an important break to you? >> it's not might be critical, it will be critical. the first question i would have as an intelligence professional is not just what these two guys did, one of whom is dead now. the question is, we cannot shut down this investigation until we determine whether these two spiders were in the middle of a spider web, and believe me, that investigation's going to take time. and a critical piece will be who they