newton bateman. he was my great, great grandfather and a friend of abraham lincoln's. >> no, sorry. [laughter] but, look, there are -- i mean, look in the indexes of lincoln biographies. >> okay. >> you know, michael burlingame has a two volume, it's huge, look at the collected lincoln papers which are online, i mean, there ought to be a way of chasing this down. >> oh, i have seen, he was dependent in public schools, director of public schools in springfield -- >> well, that's my best advice -- >> and he shared the same law office -- >> -- relationship. >> -- with abraham lincoln anyway. thank you. ... >> can i ask you a what if question? what if he had not been assassinated? with the south and reconstruction? >> johnson was a bad pick pick, was that he? and what is astonishing is two presidents had died already and abraham