michael oren, thank you for coming on the programme. sad news today that the idf has found three bodies of the hostages. the conditions or whereabouts of the other remaining hostages is not known. israel believes about 90 orso known. israel believes about 90 or so are still alive any families of those hostages think that prime ministers that yahoo should be doing more to try and bring them home —— prime minister netanyahu. the situation is _ prime minister netanyahu. the situation is very _ prime minister netanyahu. tue: situation is very complex prime minister netanyahu. tte: situation is very complex and painful. ii hand, is right made an offer which secretary of state blinken described as expert and enable generous, to have a 40 day cease—fire —— on the one hand, israel made an offer. you got to to all those families and asked lane why they're getting out ofjail. in return for 33 terrorists. there were not enough hostages left alive to get to 40, so we agreed to 33 hostages, and hamas turned it down. right now, that does not seem to

michael oren. thanks for joining us on the program. that the idf has recovered the bodies of three of the hostages, the condition or whereabouts of all of the other remaining hostages is not known israel believes about 90 or so are still alive. the families of those hostages think that prime minister netanyahu should be doing more to try and bring them home. do you agree? michael: the situation is very complex and painful. on one hand israel made an offer which secretary of state blinken described as extraordinarily generous, to have a 40-day cease-fire, release hundreds of palestinian terrorists from our jails -- you gotta go to all the families of people who were killed by the terrorists and expand why they are getting out of jail -- in return for 33 terrorists, because the initial offer 40, there were not enough hostages left alive to get to 40, so we agreed to 33 hostages. hamas turned it down. right now there doesn't seem to be any option. hamas is demanding that israel declared defeat, that we withdraw all of our forces from the

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joining us is michael oren, welcome, mr. ambassador. the state of the war in gaza and state of u.s.sraeli relations? >> battle in gaza is fierce, various places along the south and southern border with reagan presidential library, place called rafah, trying to move hundreds of thousands away from the combat area. minimize as much as possible ci civilianmi casualties, fighting enemy hiding behind civilians and under civilians and over 400 miles of tunnels. israel has driven to reduce li civilianan casualties and every civi civilian casualty is a tragedy, probably has lowest ratratio. so that is occurring.st thane state of u.s.-israel relationship is complex, there are tensions. yesterday jake sullivan reiterated america's support for war game aims of destroying ai hamas, which is welcomed. other voices say the united states will withhold ammunitiong from being used in rafah and report in the "washington post" last week the united states was withh withholding security information about whereabouts senior hamas leaders underground and have hostages underground. it is a mixed message. w

i spoke to the former israeli ambassador to the us, michael oren.ust want i just want to ask you about the hearing at the international court ofjustice that's been under way these past two days, south africa seeking a declaration preventing israel from mounting a full skill and vision of rafah. israel has rejected this case as false and grossly distorted. will these hearings or any potential order that may come from them influence israel in anyway, have an impact on their for rafah? �* ., . ,~' . for rafah? i'm often asked that cuestion. for rafah? i'm often asked that question. the _ for rafah? i'm often asked that question. the ends _ for rafah? i'm often asked that question. the ends always - for rafah? i'm often asked that question. the ends always give | for rafah? i'm often asked that i question. the ends always give is, it won't. because we're dealing with the situation which the vast majority of israelis feel is an extension situation. we have tens of thousands of refugees who cannot return to their homes as long as they think hamas can moun

one is the form israeli ambassador to the united states, michael oren who joins us from tel aviv. denying it is withholding anything from israel. but "the washington post" seemed pretty certain over the times of israel also reflected this that the united states has said if you don't go into raw file we will give you really good intelligence on where hamas' secret tunnels are and where people like yaya seen mark may have been hiding out for these months. what do you make of that? >> john it is always great to be with you. i read this article in "the washington post" and it was sourced by at least four individuals high up in the pentagon and the defense establishment in the united states. it seemed like a solid piece of journalism. and i was aghast, i was app appalled. how could the united states withhold information about the lives of thomas which are responsible for the massacre of october 7th and holding hostages because you have to assume where the leaders are as these hostages are human shields and they know where the hostages are and i can't believe anyone would use this lever

. >> nevertheless about us ambassador michael oren, we have to leave the conversation there. we do appreciate your time. >> a new our of cnn news central starts right now we are waiting on what will be a historic verdict as the jury deliberates in the criminal hush money trial of donald trump, the former president oh, is that by the end of the day? he could be a convicted felon and a cnn exclusive federal grand jury could soon hear from those who have accused sean diddy combs of abuse that could be the last step before potential indictment of the hip hop hello, i'm briana keeler alongside boris sanchez, and we're following these major developing stories and many more all coming in right here to cnn news central the, fate of one of america's president's. >> now in the hands of 12 new yorkers, the jury in the first criminal trial of former president trump has been deliberating for more than three hours now, they've worked through their lunch seven men, five women, who will decide if the presumed nominee for president, republican nominee is guilty of 34 counts of falsifying busi

we wanted to discuss with the former is israeli ambassador to the united states, michael oren, ambassador. thank you so much for being with us. >> do you believe israel's initial explanation about this rafah attacked that it was a precise attack, but that it may have unintentionally set off weapons stored nearby but to me with your boris, of course, i believe that the biden administration also believes that the vitamins duration. i requested that is really used the smallest possible calibre and munitions the most precisely guided munitions, the gbu-39 is the smallest such bomb in the it's israeli air forces arsenal to target hamas leaders. this precisely what israel did. >> and so it is investigation now about how this horrendous fire occurred. >> and it is horrendous as a terrible nightmarish event that goes without saying, but the two hamas operatives were 200 yards away from that camp and for a fragment from one of those bombs to travel that distance and set up that type of explosion is highly suspicious, right now, because a strong feeling and the israeli army that there was a hamas m