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michael osterholm, doctor, good to have you. you're not a politician.fluence of wanting to play it safe in a pandemic. but when you look at the lag in suggestions about, you can get it on the surface versus its aerosol, and outside it's 10%, really it's 1%. how do you explain the distinctions? >> first of all, i think you've said it very well. you can sum it up by saying, just tell the truth. when you know what you know, state why you know it, what the data are that support that, and if you don't know, say why you don't know it and what you're going to do to find out the information. all of us who want very much to have a strong and well-respected cdc would say that they've had a rough year. they have, unfortunately, not updated their information, whether it be about the aerosolization and arrowerosols whether it be about surface contamination and the risk that that poses. this is the time that i hope dr. walensky and the others at cdc take a close look at themselves and say we must do better, the nation depends on it. >> they won't admit this, but you'

joining me is michael osterholm, the director for the center of infectious disease research and policyof minnesota. great to see you again. you are part of a group of influential scientists who wrote an article for the new england journal of medicine which said, look, japan, if you are going to do the olympics, you are doing it wrong. so what aren't they doing? what do they need to be doing? >> well, first of all, thanks, john, for having me. we are right now in this countdown, as you just noted with less than two months to go before the olympics are about to happen. we have 15,000 athletes and support members from different -- over 200 countries descending upon japan. first of all, right now, for many of the participants, the vaccines are not available or they're not being used. particularly for younger individuals under 18 years of age, over 100 countries, not even approved for children or younger than that. yet we have many athletes in that area. we have to address the vaccine issue immediately. second of all, both world health organization and the cdc have just recently come into t

michael osterholm. and joe, within this conversation, there is the vaccines, if they help, if people still get the coronavirus with the vaccines, and ultimately, putting this economy back together again for the people who have been locked out. >> mika, i'm so glad that you talked about planes, because i've got a masters in broad generalities. but let's be specific about this. if you're on airplanes, on buses, on public transportation, you're still expected to wear the mask. and actually, for your own health, you should still wear the mask. i've got to say, in the future -- i haven't gotten the flu in a year, why am i going to stop wearing a mask on planes? >> that's right. >> that just makes good, common sense. >> it's a good idea. >> and let's bring in dr. osterholm, who has gotten this thing right all the way through. and it's so great to have you with us, dr. osterholm. i'm curious about some more caveats to yesterday's general announcement. what should americans take away from what they heard presid

michael osterholm with that optimistic message on msnbc last night.y the fourth be with you, joe and willie. along with joe, willie, and me, we have to kick things off. i was trying to be like kasie who said that. the host of

so joining me now to discuss, michael osterholm, the director of the center for infectious disease researche author of "deadliest enemy: our war against killer germs." what a day this has been. what a rare mood i'm in. it's almost like being in love, doctor. let's think what we've gone through and where we are now. a huge milestone. did you think we'd get to this point already? >> oh, i knew we'd get to this point someday. i think the question is how are we going to get everybody else to this point? remember that the recommendation is for those individuals who have been vaccinated, and right now we still have 42% of adults in this country that have not received any doses of vaccine and 64% that have received only one out of the two doses. so we've got a ways to go. what this does say, if you get vaccinated, this is the future you have. >> some people are wond rering why the cdc is bouncing back and forth between issuing strict guidance and then loosening to this degree. is it intended to encourage more people to get the vaccine? >> well, the first thing is we now have data from six differen

. >> reporter: top infectious disease michael osterholm who says it is a concern.lable for many participants. vaccinations for athletes are encouraged and not required. their contact tracing is based on app which may not work. athletes will have to bring their own masks and they'll share rooms. >> how are we going to move people in buses or putting three people to a hotel room or where do they eat or what kind of respiratory protection do they have? >> just this week a warning of not to travel in japan because of sharp increasing. >> in japan there are hospitals that's becoming overwhelmed. a small percentage of citizens are vaccinated at this point. >> it is going to cause lives heading antoninto the olympics. top officials insist that january is well prepared and can pull off the games safely a and -- >> none of the folks involved in the planning and the execution of the games is considering cancellation. that's essentially off the table. >> these summer games have already been postponed once and the ioc have said it will not reschedule the tokyo games again. >>

michael osterholm.elp other countries like india dealing with a major outbreak? >> actually this is a complicated topic that isn't a simple yes or no answer. what i mean by that is the real challenge we have had is developing the manufacturing capacity and having the expertise of the individuals that can run the plants to make the vaccines. so it's less about are we transferring technology that the companies have already said they willingly would do but if you don't have a place with the expertise to make the vaccine that's the challenge and will have to address. >> is making the vaccine more readily available to other countries, would that help them in the current fight or already in the middle of the surge that the vaccine is almost at this point too little too late? >> the current surge in india and now pakistan and nepal, vaccine even if available there is going to be an only helpful not a game changer and i say that because the surge which is occurring and if i vaccinate people today i might not ha

in january 2018 i read a new york times opinion piece by michael osterholm that made a really big impressionn me. it was called the flu pandemic is coming. and they basically claimed with near certain confidence that a worldwide flu pandemic causing really serious damage was inevitable. and their focus was on developing a universal flu vaccine, but they were highlighting, i think implicitly, just how logistically unprepared we were for a serious pandemic. is that, you know, i think now that we're coping with covid, a lot of discussion about the light at the end of the tunnel and the vaccine, but it sounds like you and others are saying -- the feeling i'm getting is the experts are saying we need to be prepared for other, the emergence of other diseases, the emergence of a disease that could, unfortunately, far worse than covid. >> i would say that in terms of the post-covid years, i think we need to be aware that just as in the caribbean there are going to be hurricanes, and the reason is not by chance, but because we are -- by the kind of world we've created. we've created enormous pathways

michael osterholm, director at the university of minnesota and emitter -- member of president biden's19 advisory board. thank you so much for joining us today in your busy schedule. let's get started with that ambitious rollout, we have seen success but the pool of people who actually want to be vaccinated seems to be running out. how do you get there when there is still some vaccine hesitancy out there? >> you have identified what i call the last inch issue. we have spent the past two months with the last mile, getting the vaccine to committees where places -- to places where they could administer it. it is an issue to get people to understand why these vaccinations are so important, allie protect you and your loved ones and members of your community, etc., and it is going to be difficult and there is no one answer. it is going to vary by who the people are who are reluctant to get a vaccinated. if it is a pregnant woman concerned about the safety of her unborn child, someone in the inner-city, black youth convinced this is another government plot to do some kind of research on indiv

michael osterholm with that optimistic message on msnbc last night. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it is tuesday 4th, may the fourth be with you, joe and willie. along with joe, willie, and me, we have to kick things off. i was trying to be like kasie who said that. the host of msnbc's "politics nation," reverend al sharpton. good to have you onboard. here's the deal, everybody. >> wait a second. willie, did i miss anything? i just got here. >> let's get you miked up. >> he's putting his tie on. it's just -- >> did i miss anything? did we talk about your birthday, willie. i really wanted to make it to your birthday. i was like uncle billy and i had a string right here. i missed your birthday. >> you know, i didn't get a lot. what i got myself for my birthday was the second shot of moderna, so i'm fully vaccinationed, which is the best possible birthday case. it was about 18 hours ago that i got the shot and i feel good today. >> good for you. a great example. everybody needs to get vaccinated. >> willie's always a great example, except whe