michael osterholm. doctor, let me start there. what's your thesis? did delta skip them and found wood to burning colorado or is this the beginning of a final wave we'll feel here? >> well, the first thing we have to do is answer with humility and say we don't know. first of all, it's not colorado. right now the whole entire four corners area of the united states is seeing this major increase. the entire upper midwest, we're seeing unprecedented numbers in minnesota, wisconsin, the dakotas and also seeing that in new hampshire and vermont and the challenge is understanding why do in some cases the virus suddenly surge and then suddenly reduce its numbers after that surge happens? we know vaccine can make a big difference on how big the surge is but why it starts and stops we don't know. look at europe. in countries much more highly vaccinated than the united states, germany today is reporting on the highest number of cases on record during the pandemic. we're seeing that in other countries. meanwhile, you have africa, which has very, very low rates of

michael osterholm says get your booster shots now. >> for those who are fully vaccinated but now have reached that six-month time period after their doses they received, they need to get boosters. >> reporter: and if you plan on celebrating with loved ones over the next few days, doctors suggest spending time outdoors or leaving windows open. just other steps to reduce transmission. tony. >> o'donnell: good advice. love seeing familiar thanksgiving scenes. president biden is celebrating president biden is celebrating presidency on nantuckett, 30 miles off the coast of massachusetts where we also find cbs's nancy cordes. nancy, good evening. i hear it's better there in the summertime. >> reporter: this is true, tony, though the bidens have been coming to nantuckett to celebrate thanksgiving for decades, something of a family tradition. it is also common for presidents to spend at least part of thanksgiving day with the troops and, so, today, president biden kept that tradition alive, too. in a brief break from family time today, the president and first lady visited a coast guard statio

michael osterholm just talked about. we don't know if there is any kind of issues of transmissibility. when it comes down to many of the traders right now coming in this monday is they're trying to play catch-up whether the sell-off we saw on friday was a little bit of a blow which is a reason why you see a bounce back in oil pricing. that's the real issue for many of us right now. >> all right, dominic chu. thank you so much. jonathan lemire talking about this be vast conspiracy that idiots on the internet especially doctors of the internet that are in politics are trying to push out that this is just a democratic conspiracy, how fascinating that people traded billions of dollars on friday and dumps on this conspiracy theory? again the stupidity is remarkable. it's all out there, do people in texas and in ronnie jackson's district believe that is moroccans are willing to let their government policy be impacted to help somebody win an election in virginia a year from now? again, it's just absolute complete stupidity but

joining me now is leann caldwell and michael osterholm.nt to get your reaction to this news, the mandate, january 4th, it would impact more than two thirds of the country's workforce. how significant do you think this is? >> i think this is very significant and it built upon the fact that we're not done with this pandemic yet. we saw the four-corners area of the midwest start to see big increases in cases again. so while the overall surge that we saw in june is lowering in many locations it's going up against in other locations. i think this mandate is exactly the way to go. >> we have not talked in a couple days, now that could be a and right now the best data that we have suggests that a third of parents are immediately getting their kids vaccinated. a third are waiting to say well, let's wait to see what happens. and a third are saying no. so if it's just 40% of kids by the holiday season, we're going to have challenges. so now this will be our biggest challenge. >> in the world of politics, not your world at all, we were was again rand

michael osterholm says get your booster shots now. >> for those who are fully vaccinated but now haveeached that six-month time period after their doses they received, they need to get boosters. >> reporter: and if you plan on celebrating with loved ones over the next few days, doctors suggest spending time outdoors or leaving windows open. just other steps to reduce transmission. tony? >> yeah, good advice. love seeing those familiar thanksgiving scenes. elise, thank you very much. >>> president biden is celebrating the first thanksgiving of his presidency on nantucket, an island about 30 miles off the coast of massachusetts where we also find cbs's nancy cordes. nancy, good evening. i hear it's better there in the summertime. >> reporter: this is true, tony, though the bidens have been coming here to nantucket to celebrate thanksgiving for decades. it's something of a family tradition. it is also for presidents to spend at least part of thanksgiving day with the troops. and so today president biden kept that tradition alive too. in a brief break from family time today the president

first, i want to get to something that really got my attention yesterday, and that was we had michael osterholm on and he basically said there is this other invisible crisis that we're not talking much about, and that is that all of us who have been doubly vaxxed, our immunity is waning as we speak and we're not sort of moving with the alacrity that he thinks we need to. >> i don't think, alisyn, most people realize, we're growing more vulnerable every day in this country, not less, because we have 120 million americans who have now gone past their six months since they were originally vaccinated, and each day, they become more and more susceptible to now getting infected, and we're only boosting about 35 million of those 120 million. so, this is a real challenge. >> here are the numbers, doctor, our latest numbers. only 12% in the u.s. of the population who has been vaccinated has received the booster or i guess 12% of the entire population. so, you know, we call it a booster. is it time to start calling this a three-shot regimen? >> absolutely. early on, i was a bit critical, and others were

. >>> let's turn to michael osterholm, the director for the center of infectious disease research and policy at the university of minnesota, and his 2017 book "deadliest enemy," he warned time was running out to prepare for a pandemic, and sadly that has become true, michael. always great to see you. we have been cautioned by always experts, it's too soon to know anything. we won't know real hard data in terms of whether or not this is a more dangerous variant for a couple of weeks. one thing that i'm taking comfort in. you can shoot that down in a second, if you want, is this south african doctor who we quoted and played a comment from her earlier. she's the first person who detected it in her practicem. she said that she was seeing mild symptoms, her patients were tired, they had a scratchy throat, but no loss of taste or smell. it was fairly mild. should that comfort us? >> well, first of all, let me just say that this is a rapidly evolving situation, and we know even right here in the united states that often times the first days of a covid infection are actually relatively mild i

michael osterholm, infectious disease expert, university of minnesota, got our attention yesterday because he talked about how few people have gotten the booster, so we're all walking around, all of us doubly vaxxed folks, thinking we're protected. >> we're growing more vulnerable every day in this country, not less because we have 120 million americans who have gone past their six months since they were originally vaccinated and each day they become more and more susceptible to now getting infected and we're only boosting about 35 million of those 120 million. so this is a real challenge. >> if we put up the graph, you're only 12% of people in the u.s. have gotten that booster, and so we keep calling it a booster. really i think we've learned this is a three-dose regimen of this vaccine. >> let's talk about who is most important to get boosted. it is the elderly, folks in nursing homes, folks who are immuno suppressed, people who are really high risk for hospitalization and death. we are still seeing the vaccines protect the rest of us from those severe outcomes, but especially with this

epidemiologist michael osterholm went on o'tell "the new york times," "this thing is no longer just throwinge-an-hour curveballs at us." it's a good night to have back with us once again dr. kavita patel. while she has not played a single inning of major league baseball, she is a clinical physician and former senior policy aide during the obama administration. and she is one of of our public health experts, a non-resident fellow at brookings. so doctor, that's a depressing portrait. we're averaging a death toll of 1,000 souls a day. can you tell us just what it is we're headed for this thanksgiving? >> yeah, brian, this is going to be an interesting kind of intergenerational mix of people who are traveling at record numbers, and because cases are rising particularly as you noted in the midwest and northeast we're probably going to have many scenarios, i'm already hearing about them, you might as well, where people are saying i was exposed to someone, i'm supposed to quarantine but i really want to see my family, and there will likely be some breakthrough cases that get generated from that. b