now we say welcome to michael papass. he's the executive director of the san francisco interfaith council. the council is very involved in issues here in the city, but also uniting different religious groups to working together. so i know we're working on and i say we, because i'm a part of the it, we're working on housing issues. tell us about the constituency, who are we and why are we focused on housing? >> interestingly, the council itself was formed because the city came to the council and said we've got a homeless problem and that was 28 years ago. and in that time, the 800 congregations in the city and sound counsel city of san francisco, our faith based schools and hospital institution as as well as the faith based social service agencies that provide the social safety net for the most vulnerable residents had a voice. and the council basically became that portal through which civic government could speak to the faith community and vice versa. >> even more important i think vice versa, the religious groups speakin