before the break you heard from michael pearl.ells parents that god wants them to spank their children with rods and belts and switches and spank them hard enough to cause pain. many fundamentalist preachers agree with michael pearl. here's part of an audio recording of a recent serm mon a preacher gave in indiana. >> this evening i'd like to preach on spanking according to the bible. this is not a new subject here at fair haven baptist church. >> he talked about the proper way in his opinion to administer discipline. >> what is a rod? i don't think it's a ball bat or club or whatever the parent can grab at the moment. the rod in scriptures never carefully define, but it's obviously some kind of a stick or a switch, and it's designed to give a sharp, unpleasant pain. if that isn't the result of your spanking, then you're failing. a sharp, unpleasant pain. >> fair haven is part of the network of independent fundamental baptist churches. i spoke to someone that grew up in the church earlier. what was your upbringing like. you underw

before the break you heard from michael pearl.that god wants them to spank their children with rods and belts and switches and spank them hard enough to cause pain. many fundamentalist preachers agree with michael pearl. here's part of an audio recording of a recent serm mon a preacher gave in indiana. >> this evening i'd like to preach on spanking according to the bible. this is not a new subject here at fair haven baptist church. >> he talked about the proper way in his opinion to administer discipline. >> what is a rod? i don't think it's a ball bat or club or whatever the parent can grab at the moment. the rod in scriptures never carefully define, but it's obviously some kind of a stick or a switch, and it's designed to give a sharp, unpleasant pain. if that isn't the result of your spanking, then you're failing. a sharp, unpleasant pain. >> fair haven is part of the network of independent fundamental baptist churches. i spoke to someone that grew up in the church earlier. what was your upbringing like. you underwent biblical

before the break you heard from michael pearl.k tells parents that god wants them to spank their children with rods and belts and switches and spank them hard enough to cause pain. many fundamentalist preachers ag agree with michael pearl. here's part of an audio recording of a recent serm mon a preacher gave in indiana. >> this evening i'd like to preach on spanking according to the bible. this is not a new subject here at fair haven baptist church. >> he talked about the proper way in his opinion to administer discipline. >> what is a rod? i don't know it's i don't think it's a ball bat or club or whatever the parent can grab at the moment. the rod in scriptures never carefully define, but it's obviously some kind of a stick or a switch, and it's designed to give a sharp, unpleasant pain. if that isn't the result of your spanking, then you're failing. a sharp, unpleasant pain. >> fair haven is part of the network of independent fundamental baptist churches. i spoke to someone that grew up in the church earlier. what was your upb

its author is is this man on the track, to michael pearl and his wife debbie. they consider themselves observant christianss who run an organization called no greater joy ministries from their tennessee farm. >> well, i'm a preacher, minister of the gospel. >> reporter: their book and others they've written stacked in a warehouse on their farm, all of them guided, they say, by the teachings in the bible. >> and it says that if you spare the rod, you hate your child. but if you love him, you chasten him timely. >> reporter: a rod, according to the pearls' manual on training children, can be anything from a tree switch to a spatula. in the book they describe a rod as a magic wand. "god would not have commanded parents to use the rod if it were not good for the child". the pearls say parents should stay in control and not act in extreme. but they also declare, "any spanking to effectively reinforce instruction, must cause pain". >> let's say a 7-year-old slugs his sister. >> he would get -- a 7-year-old would get a 10 or 15 licks. and it would be a formal thing. i

speaking to michael and debbie pearl, authors of a controversial book called "to train up a child" ad switches and wooden spoon and for it to be effective it causes pain and gave a demonstration guided by demonstrations in the bible. >> rubbing the spaghetti all over your head, you shouldn't have done that at 7 years of age. >> okay. >> that hurts. i'm 50. >> okay. >> you know, i mean, i -- >> there aren't any marks on you? >> you would hit a 5-year-old like that? >> yeah. sure. >> the pearl's book was found in a fundamentalist home in california, where authorities say a couple in the name of god, beat their kids regularly, and so brutally they beat their 7-year-old adopted daughter to death. they're both serving prison sentences. what we found looking at cases like this, child abuse in the name of religion is not isolated but happens in private homes and schools as well as. gary tuchman reports on a school in indiana facing allegations hard to comprehend. >> reporter: roger is a powerful man, extremely influential in fundamentalist baptist circles. >> we believe the bible this is wo

speaking to michael and debbie pearl, authors of a controversial book called "to train up a child" agod wants people to spank kids with belts and switches and wooden spoon and for it to be effective it causes pain and gave a demonstration guided by demonstrations in the bible. >> rubbing the spaghetti all over your head, you shouldn't have done that at 7 years of age. >> okay. >> that hurts. i'm 50. >> okay. >> you know, i mean, i -- >> there aren't any marks on you? >> you would hit a 5-year-old like that? >> yeah. sure. >> the pearl's book was found in a fundamentalist home in california, where authorities say a couple in the name of god, beat their kids regularly, and so brutally they beat their 7-year-old adopted daughter to death. they're both serving prison sentences. what we found looking at cases like this, child abuse in the name of religion is not isolated but happens in private homes and schools as well as. gary tuchman reports on a school in indiana facing allegations hard to comprehend. >> reporter: roger is a powerful man, extremely influential in fundamentalist baptist

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