it's author is this man on the tractor michael pearl and his wife debbie. they consider themselves christians who run an organization called no greater joy ministries from their tennessee farm. >> i'm a preacher, a minister of the gospel. >> their book and others they've written stacked in a warehouse on their farm. all of them guided they say, by the teachings in the bible. >> and it says that if you spare the rod you hate your child. but if you love him, you chasten him timely. >> a rod according to the pearl's manual can be a tree switch to a rod. the pearls say parents should stay in control and not act in extreme. they declare any spanking to effectively reinforce instruction must cause pain. >> let's say a 7-year-old slugs his sister. he would get a -- a 7-year-old would get a ten or 15 licks it would be a formal thing. in other words, you maintain your patient air. you explain to him what he's cone is violent and that's not acceptable in society and it's not acceptable in his home. i would take him into his bedroom and tell him i'm going to give him

but that's not what they're calling for. >> michael pearl said that.g awe child in anger or being out of control. and that's what's really difficult to explain to the outside of the ifb. the ifb pastors are not advocating losing control and beating a child to death. these pastors are advocating a very systematic form of punishment that outside of their community would be referred to as abuse. inside the community, it's called spiritual spanking. so that's -- it's a matter of sim antics. they would say you shouldn't lose your temper and you shouldn't lose control. we think of parents who lost control completely and then it ended in the death of a child. but these parents are making a consideration decision to beat a child for several hours at a time because it's something that's embedded within their belief system. >> you run a website called freedom from abuse where you try to bring together people who say they were victims of abuse from the hands of their parents who believe they were following biblical rulings. but plenty of parents believe in some f

it's author is this man on the tractor michael pearl and his wife debbie. they consider themselves christians who run an organization called no greater joy ministries from their tennessee farm. >> i'm a preacher, a minister of the gospel. >> their book and others they've written stacked in a warehouse on their farm. all of them guided they say, by the teachings in the bible. >> and it says that if you spare the rod you hate your child. but if you love him, you chasten him timely. >> a rod according to the pearl's manual can be a tree switch to a rod. the pearls say parents should stay in control and not act in extreme. they declare any spanking to effectively reinforce instruction must cause pain. >> let's say a 7-year-old slugs his sister. he would get a -- a 7-year-old would get a ten or 15 licks it would be a formal thing. in other words, you maintain your patient air. you explain to him what he's cone is violent and that's not acceptable in society and it's not acceptable in his home. i would take him into his bedroom and tell him i'm going to give him

i want to say what michael pearl said on the show.>> research has been shown that spanking creates children that are more, higher educationally, they're less aggressive. they are more entrepreneurial. they in every way make better citizens when young children are spanked. that's just the statistics, just the facts. >> so is that what you wrote in your article? >> well, he's misusing some words but the study from portraits of american live 20 years of demographic data coming in, it was found that children who have been spanked occasionally, not abused by any means, weren't necessarily turning out terrible. they weren't turning out worse than kids who had never been spanked. but in no possible way, anderson, can that be flipped around. marjorie genot and every other social scientist and scientist who studies corporal punishment in children advocates other alternatives than spanking. that parents have choices and they should be doing something else. what they must be paying attention to is consistency and not losing your cool as dr. drew

i want to say what michael pearl said on the show.>> research has been shown that spanking creates children that are more, higher educationally, they're less aggressive. they are more entrepreneurial. they in every way make better citizens when young children are spanked. that's just the statistics, just the facts. >> so is that what you wrote in your article? >> well, he's misusing some words but the study from portraits of american live 20 years of demographic data coming in, it was found that children who have been spanked occasionally, not abused by any means, weren't necessarily turning out terrible. they weren't turning out worse than kids who had never been spanked. but in no possible way, anderson, can that be flipped around. marjorie genot and every other social scientist and scientist who studies corporal punishment in children advocates other alternatives than spanking. that parents have choices and they should be doing something else. what they must be paying attention to is consistency and not losing your cool as dr. drew

strict and at times brutal and has come to the fore with a couple of books recently one by michael and patty pearl it calls for beating children starting at six months of age with a stick and sometimes shoving them outside into the cold a couple of kids have died in their criminal complaints now from people who have been reading their book and obviously taken things probably further than the authors intended but when you couple it with the teachings of bill gothard who has following of millions and even jellicoe mainstream and then dr dobson started focus on the family who in one of his books in the ninety's talked about how he beat a dog. and and taught him to submit to him and then transfer a bad idea to child psychology it isn't just a couple of isolated incidents or a couple of cult figures you know there's a large homeschool movement in america most people in our movement would be saying decent parents but there are places in america where we have kids who are growing up in circumstances that are probably more akin to what some child is experiencing in a brutal taliban controlled village in a