well, but it is a reminder that in history, the petty political people, they become footnotes and not a part of it anymore. >> well, that is true. michael bunchoff's work and other historians talk about the lead into world war ii and anonymity and barely sustained the draft. and barely sustain eded to great britain and by the way, armageddon and max hastings gives an inkredcredible overview of the last year of the war in europe. and the unbelievable levels of violence that took over the continent, and you are right. we barely got our act organized in world war ii to strike out against both the japanese and the germans. >> steven collinson, i asked michael beschloss, but i ask you of what goes through the heads of the german citizens angelica merkel, and those on the other side and there are the people in black, the oppressors, and they are being represented as the oppressors? >> yes, and angela merkel knew oppression firsthand having grown up that way. >> yes. >> and so i would say that angela merkel is also a victim of oppression, but you turn on the tv and you hear about the european union and this and that, and there is real doubt if