thomas, you are on with michael pillsbury. caller: good morning, america. i see michael is up here talking about nuclear war. i am pretty sure you are familiar. this one can devastate the world. after we blow them up, who do we trade with? it is a no-win situation. stop ramping up the war. the biggest threat to china right now is population growth. they don't have enough to take care of the elderly. their base has been hit by five hurricanes. host: china moving from one child to three children per family. guest: they have a clever set of economic policy makers. they realize they made a mistake by having this one child policy. they are correcting that. they have done a lot of steps. sometimes they will have a bubble of some kind. policymakers will fix it. in terms of nuclear war, i am not forecasting nuclear war. far from it. what happens is the policymakers look at the balance of power and , in a crisis, whether it is 1962 cuba or other crises that happens, they are influenced by how much power they think the other country has. i think that is what china is

host: our guest is michael pillsbury. phone lines are open. (202) 748-8000 for republicans. (202) 748-8001 for democrats. -- your reaction? guest: my reaction is china has been very smart over the last 10 years in what i would call their image management. they are able to go into many countries, including our own, and find friends of china, amplify their voices, including television programs, radio shows, media. they have had an enormous concerned with their image. they have a point they like to make, some of which are completely false. one of their points is china has never expanded and it has always been the same size. the last 2000 years. that is not true. chinese experts know china used to be quite small. it is much larger. they did not have to bet or mongolia -- tibet or mongolia. they probably did not have taiwan according to some historians. this is to reduce the china threat theory. they have a global enemy, people who say china is a threat are totally wrong. they are trying to minimize any concern about a china t

. >> bill: michael pillsbury is from the hudson institute on chinese strategy.ey? >> well, to some degree but whether that's enough pressure on china to really open up the files and let scientists be interviewed i very much doubt. jake sullivan i understand his concept to put pressure on china to get them to allow a really honest scientific investigation whether there was a leak from the lab that was accidental or this was engineered or whether they are completely innocent of any wrongdoing. these are sort of the three big scenarios. my own hunch is china will not cooperate. there is too much at stake. president trump raised the issue of a $10 trillion reparations bill that china owes the world. i don't see the chinese opening up unless we can have some effective pressure on them. far more than just isolation. >> bill: we have had a global pandemic. not over yet for many countries and are you saying china won't cooperate. what happens then a year, two years down the road? does it just go away somehow? i can't see that. >> well no, i don't think so. pan am 103 pl

later, former pentagon agenda -- official michael pillsbury talks about u.s.-china relations, and dr. kristin englund from the cleveland clinic talks about the u.s. response to the coronavirus. we will take your calls and you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter. washington journal is next. host: good morning morning. the senate gaveling back in session following the recess. the house returning next monday. vice president harris in guatemala today, then mexico. biden departing for great britain. the g7 summit will take place in cornwall, england. ahead of the washington journal, we want to follow-up on an issue that led the sunday show positive conversation, cyber threats, ransomware and its potential to cripple the economy. is the gov

host: joining us in washington is michael pillsbury. he is a senior fellow and director of chinese strategy at the huston -- hudson institute. he served in the defense department from 1992 to 1993 and a former advisor to president donald trump. good monday morning. thank you for being with us. guest: thank you. good morning. host: let's talk about the state of relns

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