michael polan a great journalist that i admire. we're following in other people's footsteps but for us it's simply -- it's so hard to find people to identify with in these stories. they're so abstract that are there people, they're often bond traders god love them they're not the most interesting people to talk about in the world and what we need to do is define the character and sometimes we have to be the character. helps people understand the story line. >> in a sense buy bying the toxic asset you own the story literally. sarah and i if we want to go into a shareholder's meeting we have to buy a share. you can basically do what you went the subject. >> and recovering a need like toxic assets like this huge story. gigantic funds of money, essentially lent money through homeowners in florida and california. and the two sides never met. never met each the. we're trying to draw between those but we can't find the homeowners who originally bought this is bond and so by buying it ourselves in the secondary market you know, it actually