my guest tonight is bestselling author michael pollan.come to the show. >> it's good to be here. >> trevor: it's a pleasure to have you here. most people were introduced to your work through food. it was food, it was food, it was food. then all of a sudden, it was drugs. what changed for you? >> it didn't change for me that much mp my interest in food was part of my broader interest in the human relations to other species, plants especially. what do we use plants for? what desire do they gratify? food was the biggest one the the first thing you would do. but the thing plants have done for us, in all of history, every culture on the planet, is change consciousness. health, plant, and ingestion. those are the three things that made me think i have to do this next. and then i started hearing about this incredible research. >> trevor: right. >> using psychedelics psilocybin mushrooms to heal mental illness and that was such a strange idea i had to delve in. >> trevor: it feels like you discovered shangri-la, or atlantis, because that research