one in mid-february, first with the president told michael cohen, then his lawyer, to coordinate with eric trump, and his son, and with lawrence rosenside lawyer. then a second one a few days later in rosen's office. trump told cohen, i'll take care of everything, meaning the bills, and just handle this and make sure she doesn't go on television. >> shepard: you said coordinate with them. coordinate with them in the effort to make sure she holds up her end of the bargain? >> michael: and that she doesn't talk or do this in an arbitration hearing because it would be like dispute resolution in the contract that you have, you go secretly into arbitration and try to get a decision. but as you noted, stormy daniels noted ignored that injunction that they attained. >> shepard: president trump's denials on every level of this have been numerous and thorough, have they not? >> michael: that's right. at the beginning, after we reported the existence of this hush agreement, the white house and the trump organization, even michael cohen, distance the president from this and said basically, this was michael cohen who did this, you have to talk