here now is michael ruben. and i'm not joined onset, but i do see him, ahmad shihan. me begin with you. how do you see this morsi thing playing out? >> well, i'll tell you, president morsi is about as credible leader or president as i am a nuclear physicist and that doesn't bode well for him. you saw in his 45-minute speech he reacted to the ultimatum made. and in doing so, the military had already questioned and i would argue taken away his legitimacy, which is really the only point he made in the speech other than blaming, not just the unrest, the protests and unprecedented show of support in terms of the opposition, challenging his very rule. you have to understand that this is for as much as he argued that his presidency and his election was unprecedented in the sense it was the first free and fair elections in egypt's history. what we saw two days ago was unprecedented, 20 million people in the streets challenging his rule. and so if you want to -- >> must be doing something wrong. he's got to listen to some. michael ruben, welcome back to the show. what should h

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. >> michael: i'm happy that i host a show where the name ruben as key was said.even ran for president, he ran in the primaries for president. >> he was one of the great reformers in our politics. he opened the sunshine florida. el google ruben askel. >> michael: googling reuben sandwich and that's where i got lost. do you think the politics statements on trayvon martin will change the course of stand your ground? >> i think it could. again it's all about get out the vote in the midterm elections. it shut galvanize a lot of younger and i mean, if you look at the polls, it's just not the minorities who are against stand your ground. a lot of people see this case--the coalition that elected and re-elected barack obama disappeared in the last midterm election. it's really important to get them to show up again. the indication is they only show up when barack obama is on the ballot. this might be the kind of issue that keeps them in the fold come the mid form, and that could make a difference. >> michael: that's really important. >>> staying in florida which contender

ruben, you're the perfect person to ask about this coup question and significance of the lack of funding if all of a sudden it gets cut. how should this play itself out? >> well, michael, right now there's still chaos on the streets in cairo. there's blood on the streets, quite literally, and what we need to make sure is that this powder keg doesn't have a match lit to it and we need to not wade into a situation where cutting aid precipitously right now is that match. so there is an assessment under way. we have a chance, now, to engage the egyptians across the whole swath of political actors there and really push for where the revolution went 30 minutes ago which was to try to be inclusive and create a democratic path that's sustainable and the egyptians control. >> yesterday john mccain did something that so far few in washington seem to be willing to do. officially, at least, and that's call what happened in egypt a coup. >> it was a coup, and it was the second time in 2 1/2 years that we have seen the military step in. it's a strong indicator of the lack of american leadership and influence since we urged the military not to do that, and reluctantly i believe that