and michael ruben, scholar at the american enterprise institute.e author of "dancing with the devil." it seems to me the neoconservative movement intellectually has been found on a couple things. they didn't like community control of the teachers in new york, especially. i understand some of that. this notion, it's about world war ii again, that somehow history repeats itself. excuse me if i don't like that argument, it's always munich, because the argument of munich got us into vietnam. it was like hitler in the land. so, therefore, every political or geopolitical situation involves conflict with an enemy, which is normal, somehow goes back to, oh, this is neville chamberlain giving back czechoslovakia. is it? >> i'll go back further. pre-world war ii. it's kellogg saying it's naivety that everyone wants peace. the reason why it's not neville chamberlain, chris, is neville chamberlain was against a much stronger hitler. obama is caving. >> he didn't have an army. >> obama is caving in from a position of strength. >> let me ask you this. i want to

>> and that's what michael ruben and other middle east analysts are saying is that they're moving the goal post, so it becomes more difficult to punish them for not complying with these agreements. but there's just a fundamental issue on how hawks ss versus this administration viewings iran. we're limiting -- this house believes that iran is a stabilizing influence. i happen to disagree with that i think iran is a destabilizing influence. that's been proven over and over. but president obama said himself about iran, which i think is a incredibly naive nation, saying that iran is a big sophisticated company that has a lot of knowledgeable people working there. we know the saudis are very concerned about the growing iranian influence. i think it goes down to a fundamental difference in world outlook. >> amy, stand by if you will james rosen has new information. >> reporter: gretchen the state department has released a facts sheet detailing more of the depths of this agreement, this perspective agreement between the u.s., iran and five other world powers and it give us system some insigh

eagles michael kendricks talks about the logjam coming up. phillies in town and how concerned is ruben this team? we will hear from him next. >>> i'm john clark. the fillyphillies got back in philly after wrapping up spring training in clearwater. they had the worst differential this spring. they scored the fewest runs per spring and had the worst batting average than any team in march. vegas is picking them to be the worst team in the majors. >> this year is the theme. work in progress and we have to improvement. in a variety of areas. we'll see how it goes. i think we're relatively healthy and get this season going and see where it goes. >> we will take these two days and brush up our skills a little bit and settle in here at home. hopefully, use these 2002 games to end spring training on a good note. >> yeah. they didn't end it on a good note in clear water. there's a little rookie hazeing there. gives up the three run homeing here allows six runs. how about chase utley and hurhur -- herrera, hits one deep and the fanatic is loveing this one. down in front. this is not carlos lewis,