here with us to talk about it, the aforementioned michael schmidt from "the new york times" and clint who is these days a distinguished research fellow at the foreign policy research institute, happens to be author of "messing with the enemy: surviving that social media world of hackers, terrorists, russians, and fake news." we should add research assistance to the end of that list. walk us through how this story played out, michael. does it begin with "three people walked into a bar"? >> i mean, what this story shows is just the extent that the fbi went to in order to try and learn what was going on between the russians and the campaign. they wanted to have a government investigator, someone who was trained, someone who could collect evidence, someone who could testify at a trial, to be on the ground for this operation as one of their informants made these contacts. and it just shows the extent of it. now, people on the right will say, look, this is just the latest example of the spying, that they would go so far as to put an investigator on the ground in this type of situation. from