michael schumann, you are very welcome time between the 2. have come in for plenty of discussion of the forum, i believe. how do you assess them right now? first of all, it's great to be here and it's my 1st time as as forum and i'm quite amazed on the scale and the discussions that are taking place here. and i would wish that more participants from germany, especially from the enterprise sector, would come to these kinds of events in the future. we're still quite a few to answer your questions. i think we need to, to distinguish between the political rhetoric on the one hand and the, the business and entrepreneurial community on the other. and unfortunately, we are witnessing in europe and in germany, a widening gap between the 2. when i talk to the nurse, when i talk to to, to our constituency, i hear that there is a lot of interest in cooperating with russia and bettering the relations with russia. if i listen to the european parliament it's, it's quite the opposite. i think we need to, to overcome the geopolitical confrontation because we