alan schwartz, who was joining us by phone. text michael moore, you have covered financials. you have covered wall street. talk to us about his history, his legend. he built the sperm from a very small firm into a huge force on wall street. was a significantly smaller firm when he took over, and became one of the giants in investment banking. one thing that is somewhat unique is, after he gave up the ceo title, he stuck around for another 20 years. that is something we rarely see, that someone sticks with the firm. he was there not just for his specific tenure, but over a much longer time. where wallink about street currently is, i think he would fit in as an executive now, because so much of the focus is on cost-cutting, and that was one of his big things, was keeping costs low. he used to tell employees to turn off the lights when they left, you know? i think that attention to detail would be very welcome right now. >> he was ceo for a long time. it was a very changing world when he was there. >> and he got into new businesses. investment banking had not been historically m