national endowment for the arts, the united we serve which is the initiative for volunteerism and michael skolnikn: on the artist side, how many groups were involved in this? >> there is approximate 75 or 80 or so artists of various -- sean: of those -- >> and in that conversation -- sean: go ahead, andrew. >> in that conference call i believe there were 21 representatives of different groups and 16 of those had received n.e.a. grants, upwards of $2 million. these were grantees from the n.e.a. and potential grantees who were in the call and it was stated at the very beginning of the call by buffy wicks by the office of public engagement where she stated we worked on the campaign together and we won and now we need to work towards furthering our president's agenda and his initiatives. sean: andrew, this is my point because if these groups -- what i had read is that the groups, the majority of them on the conference call, the artist groups together, 21 that you mentioned is that within 150 days prior, they had gotten grants and grant money, so in other words, they got grant money and then -- correc