right, michael stana is an energy researcher at the reagans bird university of applied sciences. he joins me for more. because thank you for coming to the show that the i . e. a says that recovery from the coven 19 pandemic is proving more sustainable than past crises. do you see that there is indeed good news in this report? are we just so desperate to find a silver lining? when overall energy related emissions actually went up? no, i think it's really good news because the energy transition is already working without this. we would have 3 times more emission raising, so it's already helping in reaching our climate goes, reducing energy independent, independent c a and stabilize our economy. i mean, there are billions of tones of seo to avoid a billions of euros that don't go through the pipelines to russia, but the remaining our economy in your european germany economy. they stay here. they cree chops the create welfare. so that's the good side. but we also like you discussed the i r a, we need to stabilize that. and by doing right, policy making, i want to touch on the inflati

and so we need all of that solutions to reach out to michaels or i want to leave it there for now with me. hire stana at reagan spurred university of appliances. thank you. thank you, steve. and finally, business and political leaders are pledging billions and aid in order to protect the world's oceans from pollution. over fishing, even mining of the global to day, our ocean conference is being held. panama us is pledge $6000000000.00 toward $77.00 projects, including green shipping corridors. the meanwhile, dedicating about 800000000 euros to research and monitoring. complicating the talks fact, large parts of the high seas fall outside of international jurisdiction. scientists say roughly half of the auction we breed comes from the oceans. they can conservation pretty important. as a reminder for a top isn't story. german chancellor offshore, this is in washington d. c to day where he's meeting with you as president biden on the docket is the trade relationship between the 2 countries, including the inflation reduction act. we've been talking about the social right, that is our show for moral these