host: michael strain, you want to address that?> we typically have immigrants coming into the united states, that has happened under president biden. we really got down to zero during the pandemic. we are up from zero at this point. the question is not whether there are any integrated -- immigrants coming to work, the question is whether or not there are enough. one way to measure enough is to compare immigration levels to the trend in immigration prior to the pandemic. another way to measure enough is to simply look at sectors of the economy that rely on immigrants. if you look at agriculture, for example. i cannot talk to an agriculture business without them bringing up that they really need more immigrant workers and they have. so, no matter how you measure whether or not we have enough workers who are born abroad, do not. and we need more. and that is not to say that we do not have any, but relative to what has happened if we would not have the pandemic, do not have enough and relative to current needs we do not have enough. ho

michael strain first. >> i think we well. not have a recession in 2023i would not be shocked. i do not think it is a sure thing, but i think the sare larger than -- the odds are larger. but i expect it will be relatively mild and relatively short-lived. i think we are very concerned about a recession because we think of what happened in 2008, but i do not think it will be that bad. guest: i think there is a lot of room for inflation to come down instead of the five or 6% or something at the 3% which is not where the fed once2%, but it wos a lot better off and at that point it is a question of how hard that wants to push for an arbitrary number. other countries have wider targets and do just as good as us if not better. host: is the u.k. currently in a recession? guest: i have no. -- i don't know. host: thanks to both of you for being here and sharing your insight with our audience. there is more on the program ahead on washington journal. we will be joined by the washington post's nick miroff to talk about their series cartel

and michael strain, director of economic policy studies at the american enterprise institute.of you. betsy, i'll start with you we are seeing disinflation in some categories, in rent, in energy prices, in used cars, but then there's also still very high increases in the price of things like food, both at the grocery store and when consumers are eating out, so net-net, what is the consumer feeling right now? >> well, i mean, consumers hate inflation, even when inflation's not running very hot, so i'm sure if you're asking me what the consumer's feeling, it's not exactly my expertise to opine on feelings,but i think they're feeling pretty frustrated and they'd like to see inflation come down farther. you know, the process of bringing inflation down, it's slow, but we're clearly moving in the right direction so, inflation is coming down you know, when you said sort of net-net, taking it all together, prices are coming down i was just talking to a friend the other day who was very excited to have filled her tank with gas at $2.75 a gallon she was feeling pretty buoyed by that i th

michael. >> erielle, there is some good news, though. experts say that the flu shot, it offers strong protection against this year's strain. >> reporter: that'sinant making up about 80% of the flu cases that we're seeing and that shot is available to those six months and older and experts are urging you still do have time to get your flu vaccine and your covid vaccines in order to reach peak protection by christmas. michael. >> it is not too late. erielle reshef, thank you so much. robin. >>> all right, michael. now to a very, very special evening to commemorate ten years since the sandy hook elementary tragedy and honor those who have worked towards gun safety reform since then. in memory of the 20 first graders and six educators who were killed in that terrible school shooting. last night sandy hook promise, the organization founded by parents who lost children that day, held an event to reflect on a decade of protecting children from gun violence with programs they have initiated all around the country. that was a chorus group from staten island. they just really were so wonderful. i was really honored to be the host, also there last night

they were searching for evidence tying michael and brian to the strain of kidnappings and bankruptcyos. among them, this picture of -- , which was an inadvertent selfie. his face seen in the car side mayor taken as a case of [inaudible] . >> they told brian what he had, he went from mom to spelling everything to the defense. >> he was in the role in this. >> it was a chilling case of evidence that involved learning every detail about their intended victims lives. step-by-step they gathered intelligence, first they identified the bank. >> they would go to that bank, they would look at the social media page and hopefully get names and pictures of the people that they felt would be where the targets. >> then they stopped the bank employees online. >> they would find them on linkedin, they would find them on facebook. >> victims would rise and fall on the target lies depending on the quantity and quality of social media evidence that they put out there for the world to see. >> for example in the harris case, they saw the pictures of the couple's newborn baby on facebook. >> with the harr

michael is right. well done means either to really strain to enter the continental stop.ot russia's business, for example, so they say, yes, this is all our everything. 100,000 dead this is not a joke, this is a real full-fledged war, and we are in it, if we are like that on such pathos, then we support the blood, let's really go in, and they will go in one option, the second is not, guys, we are we europe of the 21st century is enlightened, uh, warm until recently, and so on, and rich. we ca n't stand it. this needs to stop put an end to. let it be as pushkin wrote. san among themselves there understand. we are here and, damn it, this is the second option, please. i think that this figure is information that needs to be read differently. namely , what, but 100,000 dead ukrainian soldiers , they were not sent to the world by hands and zelensky. other. they died on the battlefield with the troops that came from the east in the representation of these people from here output. this figure came against the backdrop of all those assurances. and that the military operation agai