second we will hear from michael tanner. he penned an excellent review of the health care law in "bad medicine: a guide to the real costs and consequences of the health care law". which has been newly updated and revised. last but not least we will hear from grace-marie turner, president of the game in institute. following enactment of the health care law grace-marie turner along with jim carpenter with ethics and policy center, tom miller at the american enterprise institute and art trudy bob moss that of the heritage foundation joined together to publish the book "why obamacare is wrong for america". please help me in welcoming them to heritage today. [applause] >> we will start with our. sally. >> thank you. i am delighted to be here with my friends michael tanner and grace-marie turner as well. with the historic vote the 2700 page patient protection and affordable care act was passed into law on march 23rd, 2010. how fast two years have gone. almost the second anniversary. as nina mentioned it was interesting to me the s

. >> reporter: michael tanner studies the government's food stamp program for a washington think tank said it's easy to use them illegally and the government knows it. the government bans about a thousand retailers nationwide for fraud. in the baltimore area alone agents have permanently disqualified 39 store owners since 2006. >> food stamp program is always had one of the highest rates of wait, fraud and abuse. >> reporter: our investigation revealed some of the same vendors who are bust reasonable doubt wrongly readmitted to the program, as many as four times. we found nearly a third of them were approved again. we confronted a man who owns a food marte. a co owner was busted last year and banned from the program. less they than a year later we confirmed they were accepting food stamps and alerted the department of agriculture. >> i have no tolerance whatsoever for people misusing the program. >> reporter: keven who declined to go on camera heads the u.s.d.a. food stamp program. in a phone interview he said his agency has cracked down on fraud in recent years, when we returned to f

tanner? that's actor michael murphy, who's presidential candidate jack tanner in a movie, airing on primary eve, on hbo. it's the story of a democratic congressman who jumps into the 1988 race after gary hart drops out. no movie has ever blended fiction and reality as much. (robert altman) we created a candidate and put him out on the road and so it says you're doing a documentary film following gary hart around; we were following mike murphy or jack tanner around. and we put a staff around him and we operated as if that's the way it was happening. no, i think it's going to be you and me in the final stretch if i can hang on that long. good luck see ya in november. (robert altman) we had a fictional character that we were passing off into a world of real people. where i seem to feel i get the best results is by finding what the arena is and then set up that event and let it happen. i'm trying to give the audice a sense that, "oh, this is really happening maybe." and i'm trying to just break that fourth wall out. so our techniques became the same way. our lighting reflected that. we didn't want

. >> michael tanner, thank you. an interest group that is down there at the supreme court.ome of the demonstrators are gone. the drums have quit. we've heard that rick santorum will be here at 12:20 eastern time today. >> some people ask whether it is useful to protest on the steps of the supreme court because judges have a lifetime tenure . we spoke to john roberts about this view of the public protest. >> i understand people having strong feelings about some of the things that we do and we are involved in. it is not a situation where our decisions should be guided by popular pressure. the protest to some extent are we for people to express their feelings but it should be directed at us. you would not want us decide what the constitution means based on what the popular feeling in. the idea that we should yield to public protests is is quite foreign to what it means to of the country under the rule of law. >> that was the chief justice talking to us in the documentary on the history of the role of the supreme court. looking out at live pictures of the supreme court today. w

in "the new york post" opinion page, 31, michael tanner says next week the supreme court is going tors over three days to challenges on obama care. the affordable care act. the last time the court spent this much time hearing arguments in a case was in 1966, and that was the miranda rights case. sam stein, this is going to be such an important case for not only political reasons but also for constitutional reasons. what can the federal government require individuals to do? >> yeah. i mean, these are not insignificant legal arguments that we are considering here. i happen to think that charles is using a bit of hyperbole with his column there. i don't think this is a huge overreaching intrusion. they are compelling people to purchase private insurance, not government-run insurance. but on the legal question, yes, it's fascinating and i'm sure for the administration very frightening to know that the thing they worked on for 16 months could either be struck down entirely or just lose its major component parts. >> i would think the president is not necessarily focusing on it because he g