. >> well, michael hanlan is a senior fellow with the brookings institute and michael tomasky.hat do you make of the neocon argument? it's an ideological war, we admit it, we never really did believe in the wmd, we're glad we fought it, because we got rid of saddam hussein. >> yeah, well, look, saddam hussein was a really bad guy, chris. nobody argues with that. but the the world better off now? no. the world is not better off now. some portions of the iraqi population are probably better off. the kurds are probably better off. there's no complete black and complete white here. it's a very complicated picture. so, yeah, some people are better off because saddam hussein is gone, saddam hussein was a complete monster. is the world overall better off because iraq exploded like this and because they went in there and thought iraqis were going to throw rose petals at our feet and they didn't plan for what kind of regime they were going to build. they didn't plan on replacing or maintaining the security constitutions of that country, when they tore that country apart? no, the world's

joining me michael tomasky, thank you so much for your time. let's start off with the state department making this request that it cannot sift through all of these e-mails until january that's when they believe they'll be done with it. and the timing of it two weeks before the iowa caucuses. what's your thought there? >> i'm sure hillary clinton -- excuse me would prefer they get them out sooner. i don't think she wants this to happen before the primary happens, not that she's got serious competition in those, but i think the timing if anything, is not that great for her, something she preferred earlier, for sure. >> absolutely, that then means if there's no other major story line, even though we'll get to this benghazi development that will be the major question that she'll continue to answer, all the way through the beginning of the next year. i do want to play, though some of the criticism, obviously, she's facing from potential republican rivals over the e-mails and, michael last friday's disclosure of how much money was brought in to the c