more people are expected to arrive but i think i saw michael waller in the back becoming shy. the walton center's best supporter on the planet and we are giving him a name tag. welcome, michael and everyone else. i am jane harman, president and ceo of the wilson center. it is the best job on the planet because i get to talk to geniuses every single day. one of them who is not in my script but i will call around is meg king, she runs our science, technology and innovation program and is responsible for the schools we have on fridays to teach capitol hill staff about cyber and artificial intelligence and today's genius, that would be ben buchanan, our go to guy when we teach those schools and he has been trying to teach me for a while. i have been the repeater of all time at some of those schools. i'm getting it but i have an analog brain and i thank ben for his patients. been is a global fellow and he will discuss his latest book right now called meghan bedsted to -- meghan bedsted to -- hackers have changed the world. cyberoperations are intelligibly part of international relat

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more people are expected to arrive but i think i saw michael waller in the back becoming shy. the walton center's best supporter on the

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. >> michael waller, great conversation.my impression is the power rankings in hacking capabilities are a function of fiscal assets and intellectual capitol. if you were to do a heat map of the world and ranked the intellectual capitol function of that power country by country both in terms of current intellectual capitol and talent in the pipeline what would those rankings look like and from a policy perspective should the u.s. be doing more to recruit more and better talent? thank you. >> the united states probably still has the edge in terms of the sheer talent available. the nsa is united states largest employer of mathematicians which is usually -- very useful to four codebreaking. israel certainly has incredibly ingenious hackers. some of these operations are intricate and how they are carried out. those three are a cut above the rest of we shouldn't sleep on russian operations. they have demonstrated for a long time they can play this game and an incredibly isolated country north korea has done a great job of being ab

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