. >> one man who knows all about how rupert murdoch ticks is michael wolff. he wrote the definitive book on the boss. we asked him what would be going through murdoch's mind. >> i think that he is more panicked than he's ever been in his life. i think he's suddenly face to face with a situation which is entirely outside his experience. you know, murdoch is a man who has faced lots and lots of crises but those are crises in which he confronts power with power. he negotiates behind the scenes. he makes a deal. rupert murdoch is a back room guy. this crisis, this scandal, however, is about the public. it's about, it's about losing trust. it's about doing things that the average man on the street is absolutely appalled by, and it requires to fix this, if it's fixable, it requires explaining. it requires saying you're sorry. it requires going on every chat show that will have you and begging for forgiveness. it requires going to the family of milly dowler and the young girl who was murdered and kidnapped whose phones were hacked and saying you're sorry. these are

. >> michael wolff, let's talk about murdoch's role himself. the full-page ad with the apology. went to the murdered girl's family whose phone had been hacked. doesn't seem like he's doing the full contrition route yet. >> one of the curious things about rupert murdoch is when he gives an interview, he only gives it to news outlets he owns. those are always very funny interviews. he's telling reporters what questions to ask and how to cast his response. >> how do you know he's telling his reporters what to ask. that's not entirely fair. the "wall street journal" is a good paper. >> i've sat with him when he's done this. i know who calls before. it is absolutely the murdoch playbook. you call ahead. you set it up. you tell them what questions to ask. in the middle of the interview he often does there. >> so what does all this get him? if he does an interview with an outlet that he controls? >> i don't know what it gets him. it gets him further into a deerp hole. in that interview he sounds -- it sounds -- first thing, his answers are peculiar. his view of the world is peculiar. i

>> michael wolffe, bring it on home. when you look at this story and cover it, develop it, what do you make of this thing? andy coulson, he apparently had a role here. >> it's just extraordinary. i mean, when everyone who's involved with this talks about it, they just shake their heads, it's not just 36 hours, it's literally two weeks of the most incredible developments. every one of these, each one of these developments would be -- would be in a normal time headline making for months on end, but there's new developments every day. >> okay, let's get to the question of the prime minister. why did the prime minister hire andy coulson? was it at the advice of rebekah brooks? >> i'm going to tell you exactly why he did it. i was involved with -- they talk about this openly, i've spent time with all of these people, including the prime minister. rupert murdoch did not like david cameron. i've spent lots of time with murdoch mumbling about cameron, what a slickster he is. he liked gordon brown. rebekah brooks, however, likes

murdoch biographer michael wolff. >> james murdoch wrote the initial checks to the people who were suing the company and the question that investigators are asking now, are they settlement checks or are they hush money checks? >> reporter: only a week ago, rupert murdoch and his powerful family business looked unassailable. not anymore. elizabeth palmer, cbs news, london. >>> coming up on "cbs morning news" this morning, the space shuttle "atlantis" may be forced to takee dugard talks for the first time about her experience of being held as a sex slave. and whiten. neutrogena® wet skin cuts through water. forms a broad spectrum barrier for full strength sun protection. wet skin. neutrogena®. [ female announcer ] we all want cleaner laundry. we all want a world with fewer chemicals. we all want the best of both worlds. introducing all free clear oxi-active. a powerful new detergent without dyes or perfumes that helps get out your toughest dirt and stains. its added natural cleaning boosters help get your whole family's wash incredibly clean. tough on stains. gentle on skin. new all free c

murdoch biographer michael wolff: >> james murdoch wrote the initial checks to the people who were suing the company. and the question that investigators are asking now, are they settlement checks or are they hush money checks? >> reporter: only a week ago, rupert murdoch and his powerful family business looked unassailable. not any more. elizabeth palmer, cbs news, london. >> mitchell: in news above the alexander vin oh company rvo world, the shuttle "atlantis" docked with the international space station today, 240 miles above the pacific. nasa officials are watching a piece of space junk that might come close to the shuttle tuesday just as the astronauts are scheduled to make a space walk. later, too many distractions. a boss says enough to texting and e-mailing on the job. jobless teens are finding profit in their own start-up businesses. and the growing famine in africa that's putting millions of lives at risk. those stories and more when the "cbs evening news" continues. seo and this is my cvs. we look out for patients by offering care 1 on 1. we help them save money with generic pr

joining me, michael wolff, and the man 0 who owns the news, inside the secret world of rupert murdockotenberg, and steve brill, founder of journalism online and courttv. his book is called" class warfare." thank you all for joining me. let me go to you first. rupert murdock finally got on a plane and went to london. what is he hoping to do? >> we should note how long it took him to get on to plane. rupert is not a reach-out guy. he's quite the opposite. it's all about meeting power with power. so he's in very awkward and difficult territory for him. he's got to negotiate. he's got to soothe. he's got to explain all of the things that he doesn't do well. so he's there now, i think trying to get -- >> is "news international" at risk? >> i don't think "news international" is at risk. these are good assets. what is at risk is management of this company by people named murdock. >> that's interesting. steve brill, you had an interest with him as an investor with one of your organizations. >> which he sold and made money on. i don't owe him any favor, so -- >> you know him and you know his b

well, he was in our central london studio. >> reporter: i like michael wolff's approach.ut baseball. >> oh my goodness. there's so many ways that that can happpp. i do think that took a lot of guts for the guy to say, you've got the wrong guy. the pressure to go along with it is strong. >> oh, yeah. you're live, there's no do-over. thank god nothing like that happens here. >> oh, yes, never. calm, cool, collected, always on top of it. >> be right t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t

michael wolff is the editorial director of "adweek" magazine. and martin bashir is host of "the martin bashir show" on msnbc. guys, good morning to both of you. >> good morning, matt. >> michael, let me start with you. yesterday you said you thought there was the potential for a complete meltdown on the part of rupert murdoch. you watched the testimony as everyone else did. did he help or hurt himself with members of parliament and shareholders in his company? >> he held a certain kind of ground here. and he did it in a very by-the-book way. what he and his son did was stonewall. they went up there. they said they knew nothing. it was everybody else's fault. they were apart from whatever went on. it was the classic legalistic defense. >> were they a good team? did they complement one another? at times rupert was at a loss for words. at other times he was banging his hand on the table, showing emotion. james seemed to be more detailed oriented, although he said, i'm not a lawyer, he sounded like a lawyer at times. how did they do with one another?

michael wolff is the author of "the man who owns the news: inside the secret world of rupert murdoch." also director of "ad week" magazine. thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> as you heard, rebekah brooks did not see this coming. she goes in as a witness and they arrested her. the director did not see it coming. how much of a chill does this send over the company? >> it sends a deep freeze. and no one within news corp. expected this. it's one of the interesting parts of this scandal. it's been going on for six years, a drip, drip, drip, and two weeks ago, started and smacked them in the face. and they're all, to say the very least, off their game. >> one member of parliament was quoted as saying this scandal is now laughing around murdoch's ankles. talk about him and his son. what they must be feeling right now, and if they are in potential liability here. >> i don't think it's laughing around his ankles. i think it's about to submerge his head. they are in as deep as you can. this is the fight of their life. and i think a lot of people feel that fight is -- is pretty mu

. >> michael wolff is a contributing editor to "of vanity fair." he knows rupert murdoch better than most. he joins us now from new york. this talk that we hear on this side of the land take that murdoch might get rid of all his newspapers in order to concentrate on television, does that make sense to you? >> we hear it here, too. we are securing the voice of panic. nobody knows what to do. every scenario is open for discussion. there are also, there his budget has been a faction that says, why do we have these newspapers? british newspapers, it makes no sense to us. we on a lot of businesses that are growing. that business is shrinking. this becomes a political moment to say, let's give read of them. i also think in a more general way, it is looking at this crisis and saying, we are really in trouble. how do we continue to run a the the news international? so many of its executives are utterly discredited. >> are you referring to members of this family? >> i am referring to rebecca brooks, to james murdoch who has suffered an enormous loss of cred

. >> i'm joined by richard wolffe and michael gordon and former spokesman for attorney general janet reno during the clinton years. richard, we'll start with you. as you watch what happened this morning, how did prime minister cameron do today? was anything left there that was damaging you thought? >> yes. well, look, he did a pretty good job of sounding contrite and expressing regret as you just heard. but there are two big things. most damaging of all, he was pressed several times on whether he had had any conversations with all of his various contacts and friends at rupert murdoch's company in the u.k. about a $12 billion attempt to buy out the reminder of bskyb, the big broadcaster over there. this was a deal that the british government has quasi-judicial authority to approve or deny. all he could say is he had no inappropriate conversations. he kept using that phrase. frankly, it didn't sound like the members of parliament really bought that line. the second thing, a really explosive claim, that someone in the senior government, a senior government official had been hacked and b

. >>> joining me now is richard wolffe, also with me msnbc analyst and former rnc chair michael steele. michael, can speaker boehner get his votes he needs for his plan? >> yeah, i think he can. i think that you're seeing some of the machinations used in that direction despite some of the pronoun pronouncements about this part of the caucus. harry reid had similar responses to the plans he proposed that had no revenue enhancements or tax increases or whatever they want to call them. i think the bottom like, particularly after listens to the president last night and seeing and hearing ms. jaret, that the president will sign the boehner plan when it gets to his desk. >> let me be clear, that what you're saying, so i'm not taking away the wrong message. you're saying that you do think the president will sign it. >> yeah. >> even though there's reports now that he's saying that if it got that far, that some of his senior advisers would advise against it. you're saying he'll sign it. >> yes. >> and ms. jaret says she doesn't think it will get that far. >> i know she said that, and i underst