and attorney michael zeldin, host of the "that said with michael zeldin" podcast, he served in the departmentstice during the reagan and the first bush administrations. and we welcome both of you to the "newshour." andrea bernstein, i'm going to ask you first. i mean, what comes across? we have heard it again just now from lisa and from laura and what we have seen in the sound and heard in the hearing. this was a relentless campaign of pressure that the former president put on his own justice department to change the result of the election. andrea: so, at the end of this hearing, adam kinzinger, a republican, gestured to the three witnesses, former top trump appointees at the department of justice, and said, because of these individuals, the president's coup attempt -- excuse me -- the president's coup failed. he called it a coup, which is really a stunning thing to sort of have before us, that we have come to this point in our democracy. and the hearing today, which focused on this dramatic meeting on january 3, where president trump wants to overthrow these top three men in the justice depa

. >> let's bring in former prosecutor michael zeldin host of the podcast. that said, michael zeldin, good morning. day two of some interesting witnesses lined up here. who are you most interested in hearing from today? >> well, i think ben ginsburg and steppian, those are the people who are going to tell us as we just heard that trump was told he lost. and, in fact, his pollster issued a 70-page report in december telling trump how he lost, why he lost. and yet he pursued the big lie. why that's important and why these witnesses will lay that predicate is that the theory of the committee is that but for that big lie, the insurrectionists would not have come to washington. so that he is directly responsible for the insurrection starting with the big lie as the predicate for it. >> they need to show not only that he was told that he lost, that he knew he lost. that he knew it was all a lie. he knew it was all b.s. >> correct, because we talked about this before. we have to show in a conspiracy that he acted with bad faith or criminal intent. and so in this ca

let's bring in former federal prosecutor michael zeldin. michael, nice to have you. a lot going on. we know that it will zero in on the former president's involvement pressuring the state officials, submitting fake slates of electors. one thing that mazes me, there are a lot of republicans. >> a lot of republican witnesses who are stepping up and telling the truth which is really goodm are a lot of republicans. >> a lot of republican witnesses who are stepping up and telling the truth which is really good from a tactical standpoint because the democrats are no longer susceptible to you are just bringing ideologues to testify against him in a political witch hunt. these are his own people elected in some cases and appointed in other cases. >> so the testimony from the secretary of state in georgia i think will be key especially since there is an active investigation. we all know about the infamous phone call. what do you think that brad raffensperger can actually say though that will enhance the committee's claims about trump when we've all heard the tape, i'm sure that they will pla

. >> let's bring in michael zeldin now. there is so much to in-pack here, but i want to start with the idea of advanced awareness, the idea that trump knew the crowd was armed and he didn't care because he thought that they weren't there to hurt him. hutchinson testified that he was so desperate for a larger crowd, just still obsessed with the crowd size, that he wanted to remove the mags and then he directs an armed mob down to the capitol knowing that they are armed. if you are trump's defense attorney with that as your story, what is your best art that this is not incitement to violence? >> there isn't a great answer to that question because it clearly proved that he knew that these people were armed and dangerous and wanted them to go down there and he intended to be with them and they intended to confront members of congress and it is hard to say that there is a defense to the incitement charge that cipollone, the white house counsel, advised hutchinson and most likely trump himself not do because it would violate all

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now, let's bring in florida state attorney for palm beach county and also a former prosecutor, michael zeldin. and gentlemen, so nice to have you. a lot to get to, a lot to unpact. dave, i want to start with you. yesterday was so striking to me, so much of this testimony we had heard through drips an dd grabbing, but they really laid out a picture, if you will, of how desperate the scene was and grabbing, but they really laid out a picture, if you will, of how desperate the scene wastimod heard through drips and grabbing, but they really laid out a picture, if you will, of how desperate the scene wasand , but they really laid out a picture, if you will, of how desperate the scene was. what stood out to you? >> i think the quote that said just say the election is corrupt and leave the rest to me and the republican congressmen, that to me was the closest thing to a smoking gun that we've seen so far. it shows criminal intent on the part of the former president and could lead to criminal charges, in particular conspiracy to defraud the united states which is punishable of up to five years in pri

i want to bring in michael zeldin, host of that said podcast. thanks for being here.ask you, first and foremost, has the committee in your assessment thus far prove that president trump committed crimes and if so, that he potentially did them knowingly? >> i think they have laid a foundation for that for sure. what they have said is that with knowledge and corrupt intent, he engaged in a seven-part plan to obstruct the transition of power, to interfere with the obstruction of the government. and i think we've seen two parts of that, which is the big lie, and the pressure campaign of vice president pence. now next week, as you previewed, we will hear a third prong, which is the pressure on the sate, which is brad raffensperger in georgia and others in michigan and pennsylvania. >> i want to ask you about president trump's tweet during the tensions that were rising at the capital that day. let's look at it. it said mike pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and constitution, giving stat states a chance to certify the corre

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michael guest. guest had voted for the investigation and still won. in new york, lee zeldin came out on top. he goes on to face kathy hochul in the governor's race in november. trump was not really a factor in that race. all right, let's get to the markets. not no real impact that i can see from the move this morning. 1.6% decline in gdp for the first quarter. that came out about 30 minutes ago. no impact on stocks. in fact, they show very little change in the very early going. the dow industrial average is up maybe 60, s&p up maybe 3, nasdaq down a fraction. that's not much movement after yesterday's big loss. bitcoin, dropped below 20,000 earlier. cryptos under pressure again. quoted now at just over 20,000 bucks. the yield on the 10 year treasury, below 3.2% you're at 3.17 to be precise. as for gas, same story. falling very very slowly. regular now average is 4.86. as for diesel, you're at 5.78. the markets relatively quiet, but remember, it was like this yesterday before the selling began. it is high anxiety time for travelers this july 4th weekend with airports and airlines in disarray

zeldin and andrew giuliani, the son of rudy. meanwhile in colorado, two republicans are running to unseat michael bennet. his opponent ron hanks is a vocal election denier and was at the capitol on january 6th. that's special. similar to illinois, democrats in colorado have tried to push for more extreme conservative candidate to win the recounts a the cyber idiots or whatever their name was, the group that went out to do whatever they did. i mean, every recount has shown the same result. yet, you have these election deniers, and they go on, one was on fox news yesterday just repeatedly, just repeatedly lied about the election being rigged. and was allowed to use the airwaves to spread that lie repeatedly. >> in a big way. in our fourth hour of "morning joe," we're going to bring in steve kornacki at the big board for a breakdown of all of these races. >> still ahead this hour, russia is attacking civilians again. this time at a shopping mall. what we're learning about the missile strike and how the ukrainian predis responding. >>> plus, a horrific discovery in texas. dozens of bodies found packed in a t