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i confess, actually, did not that, actually, i did not know that, anyway, the michaela academy one of they say is that they're positively embraced small conservative values, and small c conservative values, and they talk about things like gratitude, agency, personal responsibility, the refusal of identity politics, victimhood, a love of country, hard work, kindness , a duty towards others, kindness, a duty towards others, self—sacrifice for the betterment of the whole people, etc. which got me then thinking about said conservative values, because over in brussels , i because over in brussels, i mean, i've got to say, i was watching this live today because the national conservative conference was taking place. now this conference, essentially, they had, their venue cancelled twice. so there was now on their third venue attempt today and long story short, the mayor of brussels decided that he didn't want this to happen, he was essentially saying that he needed to be shut down for pubuc needed to be shut down for public safety. nigel farage was on the stage. it was it was gripping it. it

so, katharine birbalsingh, the head of the michaela academy , quite simply michaela academy, quite simplys a victory for all schools. tell us about the ruling today at the high court. >> yes. well, the michaela community school in north west london has previously been described as one of the strictest schools in britain . strictest schools in britain. and in a two day hearing which took place here at the high court in january, the school told the court that if it allowed a prayer policy in their school, it would risk undermining inclusion for the pupils who attend that school. now, we've heard a response from the students who brought forward this legal challenge . in this legal challenge. in a statement, she said i am obviously very disappointed that the judge did not agree with me as is set out in the judgement. i do not agree that it would be too hard for the school to accommodate pupils who wish to pray in the lunch break. the school is very well run and generally very good at managing everything. the school doesn't wish to allow pupils to pray, has chosen a different path and the judg

now, earlier this year, i went to the michaela academy and i spoke to head teacher katharine birbalsinghkinds of death threats and, we had a bomb scare, the police had to come and search the school, for bombs. we had all kinds of one of my teachers, one of my black teachers was so badly racially abused, one of my staff, had a attempted break in at her flat, one of my staff had at her flat, one of my staff had a brick through her window. we had bottles thrown into the yard. and all because of the prayer situation . and, so it was prayer situation. and, so it was horrible . and, my staff were horrible. and, my staff were terrified . terrified. >> integration is not about coming to a country and trying to change that country's way of life, or making a country pander to your own religious norms . to your own religious norms. >> this should give thought to how multiculturalism can work. what i find is that the left say, well, multiculturalism and everybody's free to whatever you want. isn't it great? the right say multiculturalism has failed. there's nothing we do about there's nothing we can