we'll start with micheal martin. the nightmare that is our banking system and currently has one under $45 billion -- $145 billion --how are we going to pay back the money? >> we need to get the 2 million banks back into secure footing. white it is very simple. small business community and making sure we have it working becoming. that is the only motivation behind the government and behind -- we have to work with the central bank and with the european commission in terms of getting the bank's rights. the stress tests have been spoken about earlier is under way. we have had a number of stress tests are ready by the regulators and by the governor of the central bank. the key is to restore confidence in the banks. get their reserves up to levels recommended by the european central bank. that is the way out of the situation that the banks are currently an. >> how would you pay off the $145 billion t three? >> it is a phenomenal amount of debt. of see the bank ireland -- i think it will be necessary to sell -- there are th

micheal martin, you plan to raise 1.5 billion in taxes. what would those be? >> we have a good track record. we've taken very tough decisions and difficult ones to correct the public finances. we're talking about 6 billion in expenditure cuts and spelled it out in the plan. we're the only party that's spelled out everything in deale -- >> through higher taxes. >> what fine gael is doing, what we're doing, we're talking about broadening the base, which has been recommended by every expert tax group that's been sitting for quite some time. the fine gael plan is neither honest, credible or workable. it hasn't even been costed. they're talking about 6.5 billion without a detail? that's not credible the also saying 30,000 public servants, just like that, are all going to go voluntarily despite the fact we're in a period of very high unemployment. our plan is credible and we've laid it out before us in terms of what we're going to do. . >> let's talk solutions here. >> let's talk about some of this -- what they propose to do if we are elected in government, is the j

we oppose the bailout, and micheal martin as opposed it. he said that. [unintelligible] i did read it. it is quite clear that you said that. [unintelligible] [unintelligible] [unintelligible] >> the policy decision. >> i did clarify. your government made a policy decision and your fianna fail government made a policy decision that it was systemic. that is historical what he said. [unintelligible] >> have a dozen branches throughout the country. it did not have atms. it was a piggy bank for property developers. [unintelligible] >> do we know who the bondholders are? credit unions? >> we are moving on now. [unintelligible] >> nobody heard this exchange in this debate because of the interruptions from my left and right. i think the point is very valid. the irish people are faced with the crushing burden here. that is the legacy of the fianna fail party. we will be faced with whatever income we have to deal with this. this country always paid its way, always wants to pay its way, they're no circumstances -- [unintelligible] >> we will continue on with you, m