so you wrote a review of a book about brexit the other day that was written by one of michel barnier�rs, and in the review you said, "oh, it's interesting, this guy hasn't written about literally the most awkward dinner i've ever, ever been to" and it sounds like it was boris johnson and ursula von der leyen and you and michel barnier. what was so bad about it? did ursula spill the soup? you'll have to wait for my book for the full accounts of this. is there going to be one? i mean, i think it was known to be bad at the time. yeah, there will be eventually. it's not imminent but it's in the process. i'm going to snap you two gents out of nostalgia. back to now. because there's been two developments, haven't there, this week as far as brexit is concerned, particularly in the context of northern ireland? so we've seen the deadline for fresh assembly elections in northern ireland pushed back a year to january of next year with a 12—week limit after that, which buys some time for, i guess, sorting out the protocol. and then there's curiosity in the supreme court, the uk supreme court the

with trust michel barnier.has been no evidence to show that in his actions , to show that he's actions, to show that he's suddenly a convert this is a man that was such , so strongly that was such, so strongly believed in eu. he was prepared to rerun the brexit referendum . to rerun the brexit referendum. it had been implemented and campaigned for remain this is a man who voted 48 times again last uk legislation is a man who said in 2020 that he would defend eu free movement and now he's saying it's a red line . the he's saying it's a red line. the only reason keir is saying this is because he thinks that's what people want to hear. you can never change someone who believes in the eu to be a brexiteer. look what theresa did. he remained and he did manage brexit. he nearly destroyed it. to be honest with you, i've come close just banning that ladies name on this show past. but we can't show in the past. but we can't do without party. we can't do that . just to that to peter. i just want to get really on this bec

yeah, that's something was proposed quite a few years ago now and in fact it was floated to michel barnierderstand was quite attracted by that proposal . and attracted by that proposal. and it's a very unusual state of affairs where a government of one country or a one, a bloc actually has legislative authority in, the territory of another country, and it is a very strange state of affairs where the foreign court has jurisdiction in another state, it is it is anomalous and doesn't happen. and i think have to get away from that approach when deciding what the permanent arrangement is going to be between the uk and the european union, northern ireland, what would have to see where it goes after today? david then in the meantime, thanks so much for joining today. thanks, arlene pleasure. well well, sabina nessa is with me throughout this houn nessa is with me throughout this hour. he's the former chief speechwriter for liz truss. so what did you make of that assessment from david jones? he's the deputy chair of rg. so we know he's going to be sceptical about everything, but what did you make

you know, there's a there's a peace eclipse circulating of a meeting of the eu where my friend michel barnieralways was. so i, i think we need to hear from principals. there's a lot of background noise and until we actually get confirmation from the people in northern on of that. they're happy with it. it's all very well for our people here to decide . it's right for northern decide. it's right for northern ireland. it's the people in northern ireland that matter. yeah understand sir jeffrey johnson may have treat tweeted in the last moments saying we will take our time and i think they've indicated that they've got the lawyers looking at detail on the seven tests that they want to apply. but just in they want to apply. but just in the wider picture, i mean, that's reflect perhaps there's a lot of pressure from washington tonight isn't there? tonight as well, isn't there? the administration want the biden administration want a deal this of good deal done with this of the good friday agreement . what he's friday agreement. what he's always been partisan towards ireland mr. biden. he considers

one last question and i have to ask you whilst we've got you about the comments being made by michel barnierll viewers will be viewers and listeners will be well him being well familiar with him as being that tough negotiator fighter dunng that tough negotiator fighter during negotiate during the brexit. negotiate since out and called since he's come out and called sir starmer wonderful sir keir starmer a wonderful european who make a great european who would make a great prime minister. is that the kind of compliment sir keir starmer wants ? i think you should take wants? i think you should take credit wherever he can get, to be honest. but there are some serious to work out with our european. we have to make brexit work. it clearly isn't at the moment. we need lower the moment. we need to lower the trade that are really trade barriers that are really damaging our european damaging trade with our european partners. now we need to solve the ireland protocol the northern ireland protocol and really we need to get a better security with our european friends to keep our country safe . but, you