anna: that was the biogen ceo michel vounatsos. sam joins us. to it everything, he is a step closer to treating alzheimer's. we saw a significant stock price move. how excited are you about this development? >> i wish i was a bit more excited than i am, because i have been a long-term critic, not of the idea obviously of trying to treat alzheimer's disease, but the idea that the data are controversial. no one sees more data than the fda does, however, the fda convened a panel of experts during the fourth quarter and ask them directly " do you think this drug should be approved?" they said no. what is the point of the fda having these extra panels, if they ignore what they say? anna: what is so controversial about it? what is -- >> two trials were conducted -- one of them failed, one did not. that is not the way trials are done. you say " if this drug works, we are expected to do -- we expected to do -- you say, " if this drug works, we expect it to do x." if you do not find x you cannot go looking for y and z. anna: how unusual is it that the fd