michele clark, madam chair, thousands of coptic girls go missing or are abducted every year.nd that is absolutely underappreciated, is being met with indifference, by so many at the state department that it is mind-boggling. i healed. >> thank you very much, chairman smith. and as the chairman had pointed out, yesterday in our full committee on foreign affairs, we concluded last night the robust days of markup, debate and adoption of many measures that deal with security for young girls around the world, and no issue is more pressing than this horrific pattern of kidnappings and torture and forced marriages of coptic christian girls in egypt, and the fear that it would spread elsewhere. thanks to the leadership of chairman smith who chairs the after global health and human rights subcommittee. the committee adopted provisions that he sponsored that seek to address this specific threat of coptic christians, and other religious and ethnic minorities, and we will continue to work with chairman smith and other congressional leaders, and in that group are the two gentlemen to my r

and finally, michele clark, with regard to what you're talking about earlier in your opening comments about the course, fraud and conversion and the trafficking fits -- this it's the trafficking definition as to what is going on. you said and i think with emphasis is no longer an allegation. is a fact. what do we do with the fact and i'm wondering if he could speak to what happens to the underage girls because you know the definition and you are very much a part of all of this for our own trafficking victims' protection act any woman who is not attained the age of 18 sets of the definition of trafficking there need be no element of force, fraud or coercion. it obviously only! exclamation. egypt in 2010 moved from the watch list of the tier two amazingly. with all of this going on. i find that shocking. we are on the recommendation on the tipping for implementation of the 2010 trafficking law which is one of the reasons why they were moved down. it was based on the real tangible actions on the job under ground. does this trafficking dewaal in egypt include any body or mechanisms such a

i would just note that michele clark was the director this is how we were close and human traffickingicking assistant at the organization for security operation in europe where she assisted all 56 countries at the oce, since virtually all of your upcoming united states and canada with meeting their commitments to combating this modern-day slavery. she is also the author of a comprehensive report with without objection with a big part of the record. a 41 page report calls the disappearance, forced conversions and forced marriages of coptic christian women in egypt. so ms. clark, the floor is yours. [inaudible] >> mr. chairman and members of the commission, it's an honor to testify before the commission today. thank you for your gracious invitation and for including the port into the permanent record. mr. chairman, near to speak about the disappearance forced conversions and forced marriages of coptic community chat or thank you for calling this hearing, your steadfast envoys over the past decade and then some indefensible noble women and children remains an inspiration. i just also lik

michelle clark, an internationally recognized antitrafficking expert, she is one of those who led the protection project at johns hopkins and was director of the osce trafficking efforts for years, she testified, she authored a report called the disappearance, forced conversions and forced marriages of coptic christian women in egypt. she testified that this happens to thousands, i repeat, thousands of coptic women and girls each and every year. she said this on friday. others also have concurred in that analysis. dr. clark further testified that the mounting evidence shows that the term alleged which has been used in the country on human rights practices needs to go away. it's no longer even close to being accurate. it's not an allegation, it's a fact that she herself as a human rights investigator has helped to establish by doing actual inquiries on the ground in egypt. she pointed out that the criminality of alleged forced marriage and conversions is generally dismissed by authorities here and everywhere else, especially in egypt. young women are presumed to be willing participants

clark cooper executive director of log cab cabin -- richard, do you expect to raise this issue again and again, the position of michelewell, we do. i mean, the bottom line is, her views are way oits outside of mainstream of american political thought and american scientific thought. she has a long history of opposing the most basic rights for gay americans. all we want is have the same rights as everybody else but she has a history of scapegoating and using anti-sga rhetoric in a very potentially dangerous way. so we will call attention to it whenever we think it's appropriate. >> i want to get to clark with a quote she gave. here it is. a minnesota state senator how many years ago, michele bachmann said if you're involved in the gay and lesbian lifestyle, her term, it's bondage. it is personal bondage, personal enslavement. i mean, she make a big distinction between orientation and lifestyle. i'm not sure what that means exactly, clark. are you comfortable with the way she even talks about gay issues politically? >> for starters, let's this orientation, not lifestyle. the point was made in many areas about electabili

clark with a quote she gave. here it is. a minnesota state senator how many years ago, michele bachmann said if you're involved in the gay and lesbian lifestyle, her term, it's bondage. it is personal bondage, personal despair, and personal enslavement. i mean, she make as big distinction between orientation and lifestyle. i'm not sure what that means exactly, clark. are you comfortable with the way she even talks about gay issues politically? >> for starters, let's this orientation, not lifestyle. the point was made in many areas about electability. so doesn't matter where you stand on the political spectrum. a political position regarding the gay community puts herr at fringe with the republican party. i'm not the only -- >> why is she so anti-gay? >> that's a good question. a good question. why is anybody anti-gay? obviously -- >> it's an obsession in terms of her politics. seems to be more than winning votes. i don't know how many she can win, in the movie conservative areas. her husband also seems to be focused intently often this question of reparative therapy. talking about homosexuality on a radio show last year. let

clark who had a big wow factor before they got into the meat of the race. i don't think the polls mean anything other than do you know who this person, is and with michele bachmannt's partly that and the fact that she's the most authentic tea party candidate. if rick perry gets in, does that cut into her sort of rising momentum? i think probably it does, but for now she's in that space. >> in that space so let's go down to the ticket. what do you think it will be and will she be part of it? >> if romney gets the nomination, and i still think romney is the prohibitive favorite, the national organization and will have the money, he'll have to pick a baptist, somebody who is that kind of conservative christian to the base and she is looking like somebody that would be very hard for him to deny and democrats would love for that to happen, but i think she would look like not a sure bet but he'd have to consider putting her on the ticket. >> put a couple of dollars on that. >> i'd put at least one. >> good to see you. >> thank you. >>> next, wendi murdoch and her power in hollywood. stay with us. i love that my daughter's part fish. but when she got asthma, all i coul