we talked to michele flournoy about those choices. she is a leading defense strategist and would have been high up on the list of democrats that might have become secretary of defense if hillary clinton had become president. >> he certainly has war fair expanding into new domains and i would say chief among those are the cyber domain but also space. space is becoming a much more contested environment, and both the russians and chinese are developing capabilities that we should be worried about, given our dependence on satellites for communication and surveillance and so forth. we've always benefited having a technological edge over any competitor, be but now more and more technologies we've relied on for the edge are commercially available and available to others. so in the next four years, we have to make some very targeted, smart investments to keep that technological edge. >> rose: also weighing in on the transition announcement today, david sanger of the "new york times" and karen de young of "the washington post." >> the presiden

no-fly zone which could lead to military confrontation with russia who is flying over syria and michele flournoyan interview made clear she believes not only in a no-fly zone, but more active boots on the ground in syria, american boots on the ground. given the russians are already there, that there is isis there, there are al qaeda elements, there is still an ongoing civil war, it would be extremely dangerous to involve the u.s. further in military involvement in syria and yet you president obama, who himself has been very militaristic. he has bombed seven predominantly muslim countries in the last seven years. yet secretary clinton's critique of his foreign-policy is in every case that he is not aggressive enough, not militaristic enough. syria in particular, they seem to be itching to involve the u.s. a lot more directly and a lot more aggressively in that conflict. " that was glenn greenwald. michael moore? >> thank god for glenn greenwald. i've said the same thing. she is a hot. she is to the right of obama. that is the truth. for us to prevent whatever war she might be thinking of getting

so, as michele flournoy mentioned, three years ago russia had not moved into crimea. of course, they're there now. they had not moved into syria. indeed, most americans had never heard of this terror group known as isil. all of these things have changed in the last three years. and, of course, we in the air force, we in the u.s. military, our job is to be able to respond. so, that is a key difference. another difference for me, something that i didn't quite understand as well as i might have going in the front door, was just how difficult it is now getting things done in washington. it has become truly a very divisive situation. it was mentioned about sequestration, continuing resolutions. it just seems very, very difficult to advance an agenda these days. we have to get back to the art of compromise in this town much more than we have been able to do in the past. >> secretary mabus? >> i'm going to give you a different answer here because i think one of the great strengths i brought to the navy is i had no issue what the issues were when i came in. i had been in the

i'm not optimistic because she is surrounded by people like michele flournoy, or others who are agitating the ukraine to enter nato. she was the secretary for eastern europe when hillary was at the state department. dennis ross, who sabotaged what the president and senator mitchell were trying to do between the palestinians and israelis. mitchell was a presidential envoy. dennis ross picked up by hillary and brought to the state department. if she follows some of the leads that the president followed, we might be better off. julianne: one of the challenges is that americans are not sufficiently vested in foreign-policy. while people are prepared to talk about social security, marriage equality come a or any other number of issues, the layperson is not prepared to have a conversation about foreign policy. we have a large military community of veterans and others who basically believe in militarism. >> some do and some don't. some of my best students are veterans who have been in iraq and afghanistan and understand perfectly well the stupidity of those policies. you cannot create progress b