let's bring in our political correspondent michelle akers now with us here in studio michelle good morning to you what is the thirty percent that is keeping the two sides apart. well there's a lot on substance and now this new is the self set finishing line that i believe could well be extended into friday but that's not hold our breath on that. it gets to the issues that are at the hospital what these parties stand for and there we see taxation the question of social justice here in germany was something that the social democrats really tried to fight an election campaign on and didn't really get that point across what it has to this time around so what will the top tax rate be that's the big question hanging in the room now and of course the issue of migration and then we're not talking about large numbers necessarily but the principle whether the social democrats will go along and once again extend basically a poor's in letting migrants asylum seekers here and only with less aside in status bring their relatives to germany we saw a lot of juggling of figures that we're hearing now a num

our political correspondent michelle akers now has been following the talks for us hi michelle tell us more about what progress was made so far well the parliamentary party. who we just saw there was a have a scan where actual progress was made first gathering for this latest bid to at least agree on whether to enter into proper coalition talks but we know that europe is on the agenda now and that seems to be an issue where there really is broad consensus that there must be an answer given to a man whom i call who laid out his vision for europe in the summer while germany doesn't really seem to be ready to give some concrete answers so there's agreement that they have to give answers but there's a lot of difference in the detail and to work out this almost nitty gritty stuff already because after all these are parties that have been in government until now they still are in this current government right now one does wonder what all that fuss can possibly be about well let's talk about that nitty gritty you know the right wing of merkel's conservatives and when you compare that to the l