then michelle di gruttolo commissioner of the election assistance commission and finally rich barger. actually want to start with rich and talk a little bit about the motive of ours fiber ever terry terry -- cyberadversaries of my three russia and china are constantly probing if not gaining access to institutions around d.c. and it's not really an overstatement to say that they are adjusted in the intelligence value of information that they find. can you talk a little bit about that? >> with regard to the intelligence value it really depends on what motive, what operation, what affects they are trying to deliver. you might look at some of the traditional chinese espionage we have seen that has gone after a variety of companies and businesses as well as organizations such as opm that they could use to leverage that information for a variety of purposes, to bolster the economy market quicker with certain technology or perhaps buttressed counterintelligence activities that they wanted to look for various targets for recruitment or operators within their borders. with regard to what we ha