that's an unwritten story, but i think the enforcement bureau, michelle ellison, gets a lot of credit as does chairman genachowski. >> host: should cell phones be allowed to be unlocked by consumers? >> guest: i brought my prop. thank you for letting me use my prop. so what we have here is a cell phone. this is a smartphone. it's packed full of intellectual property. i think we need to get beyond sort of the initial headlines of in the story which is sort of quirky with the copyright office saying it is now illegal for consumers to try to unlock their phones. it was, so what you have in here is you have coip wright-protected -- copyright-protected material, pat empty, and probably hundreds, if not thousands, right, in that device right there. so i want to make sure whatever happens in this area that we continue to have robust intellectual property protection, property rights protection and that we don't undermine the freedom to contract. so if consumers are informed and are well educated as to what their rights are, um, versus what the rights of either the device maker or the carrier