relations with europe will never be the same or less discuss oh this with, i guess now, professor michelle fi, ad fuller advisor to the liberties economy on trade. minutes so many thanks for joining us on the program. it's very good to see today. so with donald trump prioritizing talks with vladimir, who sent over the landscape, what role do you think the ukrainian leader is likely to play in the future negotiations? this is very difficult to say because you're saving your documentary at this moment on that front. these things at least as an excuse, maybe not anymore. that is just to make for incidental to grant and nations shall be hard. and at this moment to you, as you've said, also eh, present from how to one hour when i was 30 minutes to either meeting the block or anything discussion reserve like in the apple team and, and activities when i'm meeting with the not associated yet nor even europe is out of the, of the game. so most your brand new green off as a big players, the big boys, the us and russia are discussing directly. this is a very but for europe course. and the ukraine read o