kohl's michelle gass saw a revenue fall, but it was better than it was at the height of the pandemic, michelle, and it just in to a partnership with a company like amazon, you have been making some significant changes to whether the pandemic and beyond. -- to weather the pandemic and beyond. what has had the biggest impact for you to be able to improve growth from where it was at the height of the pandemic? michelle: yes, emily. great to see you again. i think kohl's is positioned well. sales are still impacted by the pandemic. we just reported once again another quarter of improvement, both on the top line and, importantly, on the bottom line. we have learned a lot in how we navigate this pandemic, and we are looking forward to not only driving growth but driving growth more profitably as we come out of this. there has been a lot of marketplace destruction, and i think we are really poised to take advantage of that. we are emerging even stronger. we have a healthy store base of almost 1200 stores across the country. we have a thriving digital business that has been instrumental durin

michelle gass, ceo of kohl's. thank you so much for joining us today. coming up, what is surveillance capitalism? we will talk to an esteemed author and professor. her warning about big tech's role in our everyday lives in ways we may not understand. that is next. this is bloomberg. ♪ emily: welcome back to "bloomberg technology." i am emily chang in san francisco. tech companies are increasingly being put in the position of power as more and more information is gathered about their users. platforms know more and more about you than you know about them. this is the latest from a harvard professor, author of a new york times op-ed where she argues we can have democracy or we can have a surveillance society, but we cannot have both. joining me now for more, shoshana zuboff. author of court the age of -- of "the age of surveillance capitalism." thank you so much for joining us. you think very deeply about these topics, which sometimes can be hard to distill for a fast-paced tv audience. i am curious if you can start us off by defining, what is surveillance