i have "the new york times" michelle goldberg, eric buller who follows fox news very closely and the editor of pressrun.media and cornell belcher. michelle, i understand the kind of jump in the media and on the internet to always say, well, didn't we know some of this? okay, so what? i'm curious, though, with an eye on the evidence what you think about the fact that the congress

we solved it, david plouffe, and michelle goldberg. you both, that is all on, this thursday, night the rachel maddow show right starts right now. >> good evening chris, thanks my friend, much appreciated. thanks for joining us this hour, when the day this is been. be true. turns out it was rudy. here's the front page at cnn.com right now. giuliani led fake electors' plot. here's "the washington post's" version of the that same front page story today. giuliani coordinated plan for trump electoral votes in states biden won. it was mr. giuliani, apparently. you know, you find a little thread of a story, you tug and you tug and you tug some more an one day you're like one more tug on the same thread and the whole sweater comes apart. today the whole sweater came apart and now we're sitting in a

michelle goldberg right here, the school's ceo saying i don'tn think that offramp will exist. i think this is how our life will be for a while. that means forever, by the way, so our question tonight where the heck is republican governor of maryland larry hogan? joining me now is bethany mandel, montgomery county resident and editor at ricochet . bethany, liberals are beginning to kind of put up the white flag here. they're saying the political fallout and some are saying fall out with their own children. but why is larry hogan, who supposedly a middle of the road republican allowing far left county executives to destroy kids education two years into this i've been wondering for a long time i have been screaming for larry hogan to step in on any numbert ofhe issues in this county,um this county has gone so far to the left while the state has veered back on the on the ramp of normalcy. and you know, larry hogan wants to be president and i think what a lot of people loved i right what i think a lot of people loved about trump and love about the santas and now young ken is they f

we're joined by "the new york times" michelle goldberg. e ruling and where we go from here? >> i think that headline you just showed, at least by adam serwer, really nailed it. what was alarming about this ruling beside its deviation from the plain language of the law, there's specific federal statute that authorizes osha to make emergency regulations when i believe the word is, when there's a new hazard. i don't see how anybody could define covid as anything else. they made up all these reasons why the covid vaccine doesn't apply. but again, what i think adam serwer gets at is both their questioning during the hearings on this and some of the language in the opinion itself suggests a kind of marination -- although they go out of their way saying we're not questioning the efficacy of the vaccine, there is a sense that this vaccine is a dangerous imposition on people that they all buy into. >> right. i stress this because so much of the language occludes the facts. the rule was just to get tested. and that's no different than not showing up

just the right man is a member of the new york times editorial board and michelle goldberg is a -- at new york times. they both join me now. jesse, i was really struck by the -- warning a very stark terms about the oppressiveness and particularly calling -- linking the republican party to authoritarian movements around the world. i imagine that was a debated turn of phrase. >> sure. i mean this is something that we talked about for years. it has taken a lot of us not only journalism, but among the american people a while to come to terms with what we are looking at here. i think it is really after the last 5 to 6 years, it is really indisputable that you have one party in a two party system that has turned openly and eagerly almost against democracy, and i met dense the basic functions of that democracy. so, i think the piece is written as much and sadness as it is in sort of you know, thumping anger. this is a sad moment for the country and one where i think we are at a point of -- reckoning -- needing to determine how we move forward, how do we, how do we build the democracy and liv

and michelle goldberg of the "new york times." "the new york times" columnist. afternoon we learned the biden administration is considering more than a dozen candidates to replace justice stephen breyer on the supreme court. the republican senator of mississippi made, raised some eye introduces. he made statements that raise someday eyebrows friday with his comments about president biden's vow to choose a black woman for the supreme court. take a listen. >> the irony is that the supreme court is at the very same time hearing cases about this sort of affirmative racial discrimination. >> yes. >> and while adding someone who is the beneficiary of this sort of quota, the majority of the court may be saying at large, it is unconstitutional. we'll see how the irony works out. >> now, we should note that republican senator lindsey graham who actually sits on the judiciary committee has said that he does not object to president biden's promise to nominate a black woman. given all that, are you concerned about the potential racialization of this nomination process? >> y

i have "the new york times" michelle goldberg, eric buller who follows fox news very closely and the editor of pressrun.media and cornell belcher. michelle, i understand the kind of jump in the media and on the internet to always say, well, didn't we know some of this? okay, so what? i'm curious, though, with an eye on the evidence what you think about the fact that the congress has found more receipts that suggest more people around trump who were loyal to him, who agreed with his politics thought he was headed towards doing very bad things on the 6th? >> something i think that i would really like to know specifically is in one of those texts sean hannity says something along the lines of we can't lose the entire white house counsel's office. he's hinting, i think there, that trump is going to ask the white house counsel's office to do something that is going to cause them all to resign. so just knowing what those plans are specifically is really important -- >> michelle, let me just read that for your analysis. we have it up on the screen so people can see the evidence again, brand

and we're joined by michelle goldberg, an op-ed journalist for "the new york times."n. and voters are not going to penalize republican party for this sort of antidemocratic thrust. the question is can that be changed and is it even worth changing? or should people think about the more meat and potatoes messaging that steers clear of that kind of thing? >> well, this is an existential crisis. so, i don't think you can hide from it. there's no question people are going to be drawing contrast with the republican opponents on health care, who gets tax cuts, gets taxes raised. but a lot of people who get nominatered going to be true believes in trump. and in those races, you can hang this on and say if you hand over control to republicans, all they're going to do is basically engage in retribution on kon donald trump's behalf. i think that picture is really important. because whether people say i want to save democracy or not, it will help a democratic turnout, we hope that will help. but with swing voters, we want them to focus on their problems, not necessarily fight a r

jesse wegman's a member of the "new york times" editorial board and michelle goldberg is an opinion columnistnow. jesse, i was really struck by the tone of that editorial from the board itself, this is not an op-ed column. warning in very stark terms about the precipice that we're on and particularly calling -- linking the republican party to authoritarian movements around the world. i imagine that was a debated turn of phrase. >> sure. you know, i mean, this is something that we've talked about for years, and i think it's taken a lot of us not just in journalism but among the american people a while to come to terms with what we're looking at here. and i think it's really, after, you know, the last five to six years, it's really indisputable that you have one party in a two-party system that has turned openly and eagerly almost against democracy and against the basic functions of that democracy, so you know, the piece is written as much in sadness as it is in sort of chest-thumping anger. this is a sad moment for the country, and one where i think we really are at a point of, you know, a rec

michelle goldberg, columnist for the "new york times" and msnbc contributor. on friday with bill maher. >> i'm done. >> with this question? >> no, i'm done with covid. >> yeah. >> it's like, i went so hard on covid. >> i remember. >> i sprayed the pringles cans that i bought at the grocery store. stripped my clothes off because i thought covid would be on my clothes. like, i did it all. i watched "tiger king." i got to the end of spotify. we all did it, right? >> no, we didn't all do it. >> here's the thing -- >> no, we didn't all do it. >> a lot of us did do it. then we were told, you get the vaccine. you get the vaccine, and you get back to normal. and we haven't gotten back to normal. it's ridiculous at this point. >> michelle asks in her new piece, what does it mean to be done with covid? the desperate desire to get back to normal is understandable. what's odd is seeing the absence of normality as a political betrayal instead of a curveball. what is in the way of normal life is covid, not covid prevention. critics of how liberals responded to the pandemic

let's bring in our columnist for "the new york times," michelle goldberg.omicron surge." she kwos from the infectious disease management in the emergency department of boston medical center, if we accept that we don't want masks that's a conversation we aren't having. dr. noble from "the atlantic" joins us now. she is director of covid response at the university in san francisco. they've been masked up at times even when the school has not been masked up but we are getting to a point post-omicron that, my gosh, we've been telling supporters of donald trump to follow the science for two years. it is time we followed the science. not you and me, but it is time everybody follows the science even when it means take off the mask. >> well, i think it is important to emphasize that everybody doesn't have to take off the mask. you know, there was a phrase that liberals repeated over and over again at the beginning of the pandemic which was your mask -- your mask protects me, my mask protects you. that i think has become obsolete or that's what the science has shown

political analyst michelle goldberg. and jill weinbeck. great to see you all, my friends. one congressman is hitting back at critics who say democrats only want this to help themselves at the ballot box. i don't want january 6 to help democrats, i want it to save democracy, to be a wake-up call, that there is a totalitarian movement happening. how do democrats and their few republican allies effectively tell the story of january 6? >> first and foremost you have to name something for what it is. you can't treat the gop as a responsible political party. they believe in dangerous conspiracy theories like the big lie, weaponized with the idea that they came with violence to take the election to a coup. and a pro-death pandemic. they are attacking masks and vaccines. the democrats have a slim majority, god knows if they have it afterwards. they need to show american people that no one's above the law. you need merrick garland hopefully to follow the evidence and use the justice system to go after those who committed crimes and a daily, 24/7 non-stop. some americans are maybe b

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turn to negotiation columnist michelle goldberg, thinks mandate school masking should end when coronavirusrieve. what do you think of that, do you agree with her thinking? >> i think it is really reasonable to have predefined goals to when we can pull back on certain restrictions as opposed to this reactive thing that happens where, you know, cdc makes recommendations out of the blue, then cases increase, then new recommendations out of the blue. i would be happy if cdc or some other government agency said our recommendation is when case levels fall below x, whether it is 10,000 a day or something like that, that it would be reasonable to allow kids to choose whether or not they're comfortable wearing masks. i think those kind of walking back of restrictions needs to happen at some point. the truth is, we can't do this forever. because so many people have been infected with omicron, we may be in the best shape we've been having enough immunity in the population to prevent another wave of coronavirus infections. >> thanks for coming on. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> following breaking

the justice department's role in investigating the attempted coup, "new york times" columnist michelle goldberg, "washington post" opinion columnist and msnbc political analyst, jennifer ruben, and msnbc legal analyst barbara mcquade, also cohost of the hashtag sister-in-laws podcast. i want you to listen to peter navarro this week on msnbc speaking pretty openly about the plot to overturn biden's victory. >> we had over 100 congressmen and senators on capitol hill ready to implement the sweep. the sweep was simply that. we were going to challenge the results of the election in the six battleground states. basically these were the places where we believed that if the votes were sent back to those battleground states and looked at again that there would be concern amongst legislatures that most or all those states would decertify the election. that would throw the election to the house of representatives. >> you just described this plan as a way to take an election where the outcome was established by independent secretaries of state, by the voters of those states, and legal remedies have been e

place in realtime and all this can fuel political backlash as liberal "new york times" columnist michelle goldbergong? they have come to believe the language of social justice left is needlessly alienating she wrote the broader left got to let go of the illusion there exists voters waiting to be roused by a radical message. that means progressives got to go into elections with the electorate they have. one that is more conservative than the one they would like. that is an important concession to reality because fixation on what she calls the language of the social-justice left does undercut the big tent coalition that is needed right now to defend democracy from the forces of the big lie. perhaps, one way to find common ground while countering these ill liberal trends on the left and right is to forth rightly defend liberalism, again. yeah, i know, the term liberal has been a political weapon since the days of lee atwater but hearse the thing. it is actually about something much bigger than partisan politics because liberal values include absolute equality under the law, the right to self-determin