. >> joining me now, michelle goldburg, column next for "slate."d you think of that first half hour of the debate last night? >> seemed they were all not at their best for various reasons. i mean, maybe bernie sanders because he wasn't talking about the issues in his wheel house and i think came off a little bit more hawkish than some of his supporters might suspect he is. >> or recognize that he is. he actually has, not to say he is hawkish but there are a variety of issues he has supported. >> i don't think he is particularly hawkish but he is certainly not a passivist. as hillary clinton, this should have -- it seems actually sort of tawdry to say it should have worked to her advantage, but she is on firm ground with her foreign policy experience and she is on the record as differing with the obama administration's syria policy. so she could have presumably put a little bit of distance between them and her when there was all these questions about doesn't this prove that obama's policy is insufficient. i don't know that that's the kind of correct