we will speak with the head of the reproductive rights group in minnesota and with professor michele goodwin, author of "policing the womb: invisible women and the criminalization of motherhood." then students at hebrew university in jerusalem protest the suspension of a palestinian professor. we will be joined b shalhoub-kevorkian, whose suspension came after she said israel is committing genocide in gaza. and we will speak with israeli author maya wind, author of, "towers of ivory and steel: how israeli universities deny palestinian freedom." wind was jailed 15 years ago for refusing to serve in the israeli army. all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. israeli forces killed at least 29 people in gaza thursday in at two separate attacks as they waited for humanitarian aid. the latest massacre struck palestinians in northern gaza city and at the al-nuseirat camp in central gaza strip. >> today with no warning they attacked the warehouse. we got the eight and distributed people and people need to come and get the ra

for more, we are joined by michele goodwin, a professor of constitutional law and global health policyat georgetown university and founding director of the center for biotechnology and global health policy. she is the author of "policing the womb: invisible women and the criminalization of motherhood." she joins us from washington, d.c. professor, welcome back to democracy now! first give us your overall impression of the oral arguments before the supreme court and where the justices stood across the political spectrum in questioning -- and doing their questioning. >> it is great to be back with you. overall, the justices showed they were skeptical of the claims brought by the plaintiffs in this case. a group of individuals who call themselves doctors who claimed they have been affected negatively by mifepristone been in the marketplace. they claim it is a drug that was rushed to the marketplace by the fda and that it is unsafe. and because, as they say, it is unsafe, they will be put in a position of having to treat individuals who have been harmed by this drug who appear in hospitals

michelle goodwin. and most of the podcast on the issues with michelle goodwin. and the author of multiple important books, including policing the womb. michelle, every time i talk to you, the title of your book becomes more pressing and more relevant. it is not policing, it is beyond criminalizing, it is control around all aspects of reproductive health. >> that is right. one cannot help but understand the violations of human rights. fundamental matters of life and death which are not acknowledged. a woman is 14 times more likely to die carrying a pregnancy to term in the united states than by having an abortion. you see the denial of human rights in these cases, the denial of personhood when it comes to pregnancy. it is horrific. one has to pause to think about those whose lives have been lost since this decision and whose lives were lost before that and what is to come. just as you were mentioning, teenage girls who are not even teenagers yet are going into amateur school and middle school as mothers. these are horrific times that are captured by the handmaid'

us at the table here in dc is georgetown law school professor and on the issues podcast host, michelle goodwino joining us is arizona state senator, eva burch. >> i'm so glad you are able to join the program. we were all moved by what you shared this past week about your own experience. i want to take a listen to what you said. we'll talk about it on the other side. >> first, i was required to have another ultrasound at the abortion clinic. i didn't have an ultrasound because my doctor thought i needed one. i had one because legislation has forced me to do that. then i got to sit through an exhaustive list of absolute disinformation that was read off to me. i was told that there were alternatives to abortion, parenting or adoption among them. as if delivering a healthy baby is an option for me. from where i sat, the only reason i had to hear those things was in a cruel and really uninformed attempt by outside forces to shame and cohearse and frighten me into making a different decision other than the one i knew was right for me. >> senator, i am sorry for what you have been through. i'm sorry

michelle goodwin. it's really good to have you.er, and we're told some republican lawmakers in the state house left as she was saying it. what is the point that she's getting across here? >> well, she's humanizing an experience that far too often amongst those who are antiabortion seek to turn away from, just as you were mentioning colleagues in that chamber leaving as she was talking about it. the real world implications of what it means to be pregnant. something that's been divorced from the abortion ban, from lawmakers who want to ban abortion and even from our supreme court. what she's speaking to is something that the supreme court in 2016 acknowledged which is that a woman is 14 times more likely to carrying a pregnancy to term than by having an abortion. roughly about 20% of pregnancies, 20 to 30% will not result in the delivery of a child, even for people who want that experience because of miscarriage and stillbirth. what she's relating to is that there's a kind of falsehood that everybody conception, every pregnancy ends

michele goodwin, professor at georgetown university. thank you so much for being here. so as i mentioned, standing really is at the center of this debate. and as we just heard there, senior counsel hawley says the doctors do, in fact, have proper standing. your your takeaway from today. >> well, my takeaway was that the justices from justice gorsuch to justice, amy coney barrett, the liberal justices all had questions with regard to whether these particular litigants qualified for standing to qualify. for standing, you have to be harmed by the regulation, the law, and you have to have essentially some skin in the game. in this case, these were individuals who all claim to be doctors. but upon review by the court, it was determined that of the seven, only two actually could potentially and it was deeply attenuated, be affected by the regulations amongst the people who were claimed to be doctors. as someone who has a master's degree in theology, another person who's a dentist, these are people who would not be in the emergency room providing care to a person who would be

from the university california, berkeley, and was once a research assistant for doris kearns goodwin. michelleis the civil war and reconstruction specialist in the man of the library of congress, where she oversees the lincoln papers. dana shoaf is a longtime editor of civil war times and engineer of it's a multi-year partnership with the lincoln forum. he recently le forum. he recently left the magazine to become director of interpretation for the national museum of civil war medicine in frederick, maryland. he is also an av c■#ollector of early 19th century antiques and photography. although some family members say he's a hoarder of old hand tools. but no, no judging here. and he is a renowned battlefield guide. melissa winn is the marketing manager at american battlefield trust, the nonprofit organization dedicated to preservings hallowed battlegrounds. prior to that, she was the director photography for history net, a writer edir, preservation advocate, photographer and collector of civil war photographs. she is a member of both the professional photographers association and t c photograph

from the university california, berkeley, and was once a research assistant for doris kearns goodwin. michelle, is the civil war and reconstruction specialist in the manuscript division of the library of congress, where she oversees the lincoln papers. dana shoaf is a longtime editor of civil war times and engineer of it's a multi-year partnership with the lincoln forum. he recently left the magazine to become director of interpretation for the national museum of civil war medicine in frederick, maryland. he is also an avid collector of early 19th century antiques and photography. although some family members say he's a hoarder of old hand tools. but no, no judging here. and he is a renowned battlefield guide. melissa winn is the marketing manager at american battlefield trust, the nonprofit organization dedicated to preserving america's hallowed battlegrounds. prior to that, she was the director photography for history net, a writer editor, preservation advocate, photographer and collector of civil war photographs. she is a member of both the professional photographers association and the cen

goodwin viewers, professor matt goodwin alongside me as is ella whelan so many of you are saying, kate says the pm says that we're nice, kind, decent, tolerant people . michellele. michelle. but surely thatis people. michelle. but surely that is a problem to our enemies. we need to be less kind, decent and tolerant . um. kind, decent and tolerant. um. pam says empty words from the prime minister. he's going to do absolutely nothing. tess says. what was the point in the prime minister's speech? he is still going to let all those, what going to let all of those, what she calls hate marches continues . uh, sarah says wowzers. that was tough talk, come on now was tough talk, but come on now he's in action, isn't he? he's in action, man, isn't he? i want to have faith in him, i desperately do. i'm going to watch this space. ella whelan. well, i mean, that first comment that you read out from one of the viewers about being less, maybe need to be less kind maybe we need to be less kind and tolerant. >> i mean, whatever about the kind not suggesting kind thing. i'm not suggesting we kumbayah around we all sing kumbayah around these turn other these issue and turn the

goodwin keeping me company tonight . ella whelan. so we'll tonight. ella whelan. so we'll be dissecting all of it. >> michellebed . a was firebombed. a parliamentarian in a jewish part of london, a parliamentarian forced to wear a stab vest to work because of a suspected murder attempt , the same murder attempt, the same terrorist that killed mp david amess was waiting at mike fryer's office. he only missed that , uh, fryer's office. he only missed that, uh, encounter fryer's office. he only missed that , uh, encounter with fryer's office. he only missed that, uh, encounter with this psychopathic terrorist because he was called into a meeting, i believe, with boris johnson. that was enough for him. he decided to call time and who can blame him? who can blame people for wanting to get out of this game when it's become so toxic andifs game when it's become so toxic and it's getting to the point where parliamentarians are losing their lives in fear of their lives. of course, that also happened to jo cox up in batley, and we're seeing this now, this toxic nature spiralling out of control. as we said, the by—elect