here to help, our friend michelle higgin, practical traveler for the "new york times." michelle, this is tremendous. a change of the rental costs from a year ago. it's outrageous. >> right. we're seeing all of these discounts for hotels and airfares like we just talked about. what's happening with car rentals is they can actually shrink their fleet, unlike a hotel which has those block of rooms to sell. what's happening is they're driving demand by shrinking fleets and able to jack up the rates. >> with auto sales and everything down and gas, i mean, i understand that. these rates are huge. help us save money here. you say just like greg says, fees are the way they're making money? >> not unlike the airlines, car renteral companies have fees consumers have to be careful about pshgs whether taxes, additional fees at the airport, or just the insurance they offer as well. different ways to save. right now especially you want to look for the counterintuitive approach, might be bigger, isn't necessarily more expensive, because there's high demand for fuel-efficient cars. >> t