the only politician right now who is more popular than paul ryan in the states is barack obama. >> right. well -- or michelle, for that matter. michelle obama. but daniel, when -- >> michelle -- >> the rnc autopsy, he was based on the romney/ryan ticket and the anti sis, exactly the playbook that donald trump has flown in the face. so for a national jump forward out of being speaker, again, a job that he begrudgingly accepted, does paul ryan in november -- how does he shake any despair over this endorsement? is it just the fact he says, well, it was fair and square, he won, i was just playing along? >> yeah. i think that's what he's got to do. he's trying to make sure that he keeps some distance throughout the race. and i think he's reserving the right to break from him, if there is something catastrophic that goes on. but it is a difficult thing for him as speaker, because he's -- he is endorsing him. however reluctantly. he is on board with him. and there are consequences for that. so i mean, it is possible if things do employblow up and go incredibly poorly that -- you know, that there will be consequence

michelle, that was a breathtaking juxtaposition. and it just shows that kellyanne conway, just like paul manafort, cannot control donald trump. people talk about a pivot orr whatever. there is no pivot, okay. you have a candidate who is 70 years old and has got a set of characteristics and a set of instincts and a personality type. he's going to show that whatever somebody does in a particular moment whether he -- >> so the two speeches you don't think those represent a pivot? you would totally discount those? >> that represents something that he did. does it change the core of his candidacy? what he's appealing, the nature of his appeal to voters? no, it does not. >> what if that guy shows up every day until november 8th? >> well, if that guy shows up every day until november 8th, that will be different -- a different presentation. i do think that at this point in the campaign american voters have drawn fairly solid conclusions about who hillary clinton is, who donald trump is. >> i'm glad you brought that up because at this point in the campaign kellyanne conway said she doesn't get much above 41%. she hasn't broken through either, necessarily, do you