michelle rhe, joins us from california. you made people mad. >> yes, i did. >> you fired 36 principals, 200 some teachers, closed school, and eventually pushed out in washington, d.c.. >> yeah. well, remember, that when i took over the district, it was the lowest performing and most distucksal district in the entire country. what i did were things i thought were obvious, close low performing failing schools failing children for decades. i'm going to fire ineffective employees, pay the effective ones more money, cut a central office bureaucracy out of control in half. those were the things i knew needed to get done if we were going to fix the system, and that's when i started getting called all kinds of names, you know, but that was the, you know, this terrible person, but, you know, in my mind, it was just trying to bring common sense to an incredibly dysfunctional system. stossel: you heard the phrase "education blob," do you think that's fair? >> there is an absolute inertia around a bureaucracy that is, that exists to se